I wasn't addressing that discussion, not bothered if we play each other once or twice. Although twice IS more accurate. Besides, if you look you'll see, zantet suggested back to 3months.

Edited at 15:24 Tue 22/10/13 (BST)

Incorrect, I like it fine, and I doubt I'm the only one. The off-season is the right time for this.

Would put it back to playing each other once for this season without the killer then get everything arranged with the other leagues properly for next season.
Agree with playing each other twice being more accurate but would have to be in all leagues and the formats need working on between the leagues in close season.
Losing the 2v2 killers from FBL doesn't lose a lot, the scoring is very flawed and the games unpopular.

!, I think the scoring for killer is perfect. Recognizes every positon differently, and guarantees victory to 1st place.

Doesnt lose a lot? Didnt you read zantet's posts? he counted 80 points already.

that's about 10 games, there were double posts and the like and since people have removed the killer games and theres no site at the moment it was hard for me to be accurate on my ipad. I can have a proper look now.

The matches that are quite close seemed to have killer swinging it one way.

The season is no longer 6 months. That was the original time frame with 3 fixtures in 3 weeks. I'm pretty sure it's been substantially shortened.

We're in the first set. Scrapping killer makes no difference at all to the outcome of the league. How do you know whether the teams that have won killer games so far wouldn't get hammered in the next set? Saying that removing killer in the first set also makes the FBL "lose its credibility" makes no sense to me.
If we were in Fixture 7 and we'd be removing the killer games of the first 6 sets, then yes, that would be a problem. We haven't even completed one fixture however.

On the other hand, restarting the league now with a schedule to finish at the same time as the other leagues WILL make it lose its credibility, because there wouldn't be a lot of time to run a real league.

At the end of the season, hopefully Super League and FBL will merge and a good killer setup can be implemented.

You say:"Scrapping killer makes no difference at all to the outcome of the league." How do you know? The chance isn't great I'll admit, but it very well may decide the winner.

Any time something scraps results, it loses credibility. I agree later on would be even worse, but the fact remains.

I think we already have a great killer setup, and there's no reason for removing it, other than certain people not wanting it, but again, it was there when they signed up.
Like zantet pointed out, the problem wasnt the killer games, it was too many fixtures at once.

And I don't like the idea of restarting, but I prefer it over changing the format mid-season. the change will leave whoever wins in a disputable position.

Edited at 17:56 Tue 22/10/13 (BST)

I don't see how restarting the league will lose credibility, and changing format and rules and removing 72 points (it's 9 games played) won't have any affect on credibility or the outcome. If straight was removed the clans who had good straight players who've got good results would suffer and those who don't and have bad results would benefit and it would affect the overall outcome.

There's no real reason killer should be removed, it's not going to mean less games are played. The games are being played fine. Losing teams and reinstating teams (i'm not having a go here, hopefully that is made clear), talk of teams withdrawing because the FBL is a mess at the moment. You can't say it has it's credibility at the moment. Stability is whats needed, not even more change and a season of "just getting through it until the next one".

2 sets of FBL worked with FCL and SL set ups. I think SL and FBL merging would be bad, they both are unique and to mix them together would great something that tries to be both but isn't as good as either for that reason. It has to be original. I think that's going back to the TCL which worked but caused a lot of confusion, when people favoured the TCL instead. Why change something again? It's becoming ridiculous having to re-learn rules for the leagues because some rules changes each season or there's different leagues. The original league worked because, by and large, there was only change when it was needed and it stayed the same for the most

Edited at 17:58 Tue 22/10/13 (BST)

clan captains should have a vote on fbl format how many times we play etc

says a captain lol, what about players who don't happen to agree with their captain on this issue?
Don't even know how my captain feels about it, just saying.

Edited at 18:24 Tue 22/10/13 (BST)

Why should you get points for finishing below second in a 2v2 game? It's just stupid to be honest.
You have to earn your points by winning frames in all the other game types so why just give them to people in killer?
If it's a choice between no killer this season and those stupid games then no killer every time!

3rd place did better than 4th place did, its more accurate this way.

recognizes the difference between:
team a getting 1st and 3rd, or team a getting 1st and 4th

3rd did earn their point, by beating 4th

I'm saying there shouldnt be a choice, the season's started

Edited at 18:19 Tue 22/10/13 (BST)

Clan A vs Clan B

game 1
1st Player A
2nd Player B
3rd Player A
4th Player B

game 2
1st Player B
2nd Player A
3rd Player A
4th Player B

Current scoring would have that Clan A 9-7 Clan B. You propose that it should be a draw despire Clan A clearly doing better?

ty zan, yet another reason why this way is more accurate

If your problem is that a clan would still score 1 point for just participating why didn't you raise up that issue before the season. All's I can see is you wanted 2 games of 2 vs 2 and then 3 vs 3, but you never mentioned a problem with the way the scoring is.

You could've suggested -1 for 4th instead of 0. That way a clan with players in 3rd and 4th get 0, just means theres one less point available though you could just add it onto 1st or 2nd.

You finish third and fourth then you haven't beaten anyone have you?
Quite simple really

I already mentioned above that not everyone will agree, some are for keeping killer and others want it binned for now, at the end of the day its up to the league runner onevisit and I'm sure hes already decided to drop it from the FBL for this season.
onevisit also stated he would be willing to step aside if anyone else wanted to run the league, all you guys that want to keep killer please feel free to step in, then you can add as much killer as you want.


Edited at 18:58 Tue 22/10/13 (BST)

So if nothing changes you want teams having to arrange 8 FSL killers and 4 FBL killers in a fortnight beenjammin?

You obviously refuse to understand our point. What you've pointed out is 1 of 3 possible outcomes, should happen only about 1/3rd of the time, and so what if they get one point for nothing, compared to 1st and 2nd getting 7.

Dont you mean 2 or 4 depending on the team in fsl, and 4 fbl? My answer is yes, that is what they signed up for.