absolute crap we have recruited newplayers as we were low on numbers unfortunately gbstus keyboard has broken and we have enough active players now to stay in league unfortunately players didnt register in time

nope as i rarely look at threads these days.

but Underdogs has been struggling for three seasons you can't deny that.

i hope they get it sorted

Commenting on that basis doesn't really help the situation then to be fair!!

And if they go, where do some players get to play clan games?

Are SS offering any spots on an apprenticeship?

part in bold is the part we are referring to mate, i am glad you got it sorted though and hope it lasts

how have we been struggling for 3 seasons last season we had 16 players unfortunately people leave its the way it goes

only low on numbers as unfortunately a guys keyboard was broke and other guys where ineligible

Nope unless they are snooker players hence the clan name.

As i said though they was struggling in numbers and i felt cke has struggled for a while (personal opinion) but cke has posted he has signed players so hopefully it is resolved

Most players are Snooker players.

in preseason we had 16 players and in my opinion weve always had enough players unfortunately people have left and weve had ineligible players and guys have gone offline due to circumstances

yeah thats true, TP and Eagles have more defaults than Underdogs but thats not because they dont have enough players but because their captains and teams who played against them didnt make the effort to get games played. cke admitted that he didnt have elegible players in the previous set, so how could someone from SS or Pros have got a game played vs them? Pros did get 2 10-0 wins which in the end are going to decide, they could have been more points but also could have been less, thats why i say that thats not fair

They did have available players - hence why those Underdogs players involved in the defaults played their other games against their other opponents (which as it happens was SS or Pros depending on the default game in question) during the 2 week period.

Therefore those unplayed games clearly could have been played.

Once it is accepted those games could have been played then it is a question of considering the facts and the evidence of effort provided.

Edited at 01:53 Sat 07/12/13 (GMT)

^You want me to describe yet again how I was able to get my game against virtuoso14 played?
It's not an effort that should be expected of anyone.
They had players 5+ days off (who are now still off at 14 days) and didn't have subs. Not sure how clear it can get. Should've been removed.

No I don't want you to tell how you played a game in a discussion on defaults and unplayed games. But giving the full facts about SS's role in that unplayed game may help.

But as you have stated your point is the removal of a team not the default. However there are no grounds to have that team removed. And if there were then the same grounds have to apply to other clans with more defaults.

Defaults are defaults regardless of circumstances. If we want set rules on how many defaults lead to expulsion then commence that as a separate discussion point.

Similarly if we want to say that in any default there is more emphasis placed on what happened in week 2 than week 1 then again that is a separate discussion point.

More than happy to have both those discussed to see where it leads.

I don't think you can limit the amount of defaults per team but during any 1 fixture set there should be a minimum amount of matches played by their deadline. IF a team has 3 unplayed fixtures then there are more reasons for incompletion's than just the 'original players' not being on line at the same times.

Deadline day any player who has not played in that particular fixture is eligible to play, unfortunately Underdogs didn't have enough players surplus (registered) to be able to make any subs. This hampered any of their opponents who had more players available from completing the match.

Now they will not only get the individual points for the matches not played but miss out on the Completion bonuses, this is wrong and surely IF sufficient evidence is submitted then maybe this bonus could be rewarded (obv not in full) for their effort?

Does that mean your preference is for Completion Bonuses? Because they currently do not exist.

Fixture Set 5

Just waiting for team lists from Snooker Squad, The Professionals and Pocket Dynamos.

Please can I have them by 6pm(UK) tomorrow night at the latest.

Thanks

Bonus for completion was good once upon a time but not now.

Defaults over a 2 week period should be non existent really.

Yes i think completion bonuses would add more incentive and hopefully more drive from all teams, miss a fixture simple...you miss out. Any matches unplayed should be reviewed at the END of the season and IF a team reaches a certain number of defaults then points could be deducted.

A lot of matches don't get played for valid reasons but this doesn't stop any Captain or Vice from making suitable changes to their fixtures. IF a team falls short of the minimum restriction of players then they should be dq'd.

Just my opinion.

Ive sent mine lol ages ago to steve

Non completion deduction would be prob more appropriate over so many sets.

A penalty.

Pro's seem content (correct me if I'm wrong) with the default decisions. You're annoyed because you have lost 3 unnecessary points on Pro's - If you had sent in adequate default info this wouldn't be a problem!

That's a fair point, I'l accept that could be a fairer way of doing things - Shall we do that over on Snooker too? (Which would make the SS default around 8 - 0 & the Pro's 13 - 0)

We went the other way and awarded what is more or less the league average.

There aren't responsible for this over several fixtures sets. As Chris said, there are several other teams that have had more defaults over the season and in the last fixture set.

They had 8 players who played at least 1 game. However awkward it was to play the game with them is irrelevant, they had 8 available players at some point in the fixture.