The above example is NOT a stalemate example because the black is free and can be manipulated to gain the win. If that was the situation with the black ball being involved instead of either stripe or solid then it could be a stalement.

In certain situations I think a certain amount of fouls in a row (by both players) should present a draw/retract option to be mutually agreed

You could put the black ball touching the red ball and bottom cushion, then tap the red so the purple goes in (fouling) forcing the opponent to hit the black when it is virtually unpottable and unless they manage a good shot, they can then pot the red and the black to win

Stalemates are about players agreeing to re-rack a game in a short period of time. Moving the black around to such a position to allow the chance to win is so difficult and precise that no player would take that option rather than agree to the re-rack in a real game.

I dont think you could have a system where both players had to agree to the re-rack as that would be open to abuse. If its automatic then the only option for someone to refuse the re-rack would be to play a legal shot.

You just said what i said on previous page

yeah but what if that image was 9 ball, lets say 8 was over pocket and 9 was blocking 8 in 9 ball how would you win other than fouling and of course 3 fouls in a row is game over.

so you would have to foul twice and what would happen on the third shot?

why would it be open to abuse? if both players have to agree then by pressing the rerack button you are agreeing to start the frame over. Only way for me is that you would accidentally press it but that would be your fault. the previous frame would be classed as canceled (meaning no rank gain or loss) and the frame restarts. Of course it would be unavailable in tournaments but normal games it could be used

Because you can use it to Double DQ in a tournament or to try and force your opponent just to give up and leave.

No reason why you couldn'y have stalemates and resets in tournaments.

because of the time limit involved in tournaments and as you say would equal double DQ's by excluding tournaments you take away the most important factor which is time. and with no time involved to play the frame it can't be open to abuse unless you accidentally press the button.

while on the subject of time i think one extension per frame would be good in case you need thinking time.

An automatic re-rack can be a solution, but in tournament play can be a problem, as the games are time limited. If the players have spent a few minutes in a stalemate situation, then the re-rack happens, the entire frame is restarted, and the time spent playing it was wasted, so there is less time to finish the match, making it more likely to time out and both players getting DQ'd (Yes, there are more pros and cons for this, this is just one example).

If we were to look for a solution, I think the free ball after the foul, with or without a ball in hand, is simpler, and it is possible to do because it exists in 8UK. In 8US, this could also worry people a bit more about fouling by mistake, and would make the games much better in my opinion.

Right this is what i am talking about ,

I am stripes and he is on the black , i wonder what he is going to do next?

My last stripe once hes potted the one over the pocket is pretty much impossible you either have to fluke it or you keep tapping it from one side or maybe you could attempt the double but in my eyes to pot MY BALL to gain advantage FOR HIMSELF

In the eyes of jesus that is wrong :)

i bet w_hoolahan could pot that black, he potted a few doubles in our clan match on Friday

Simple, he gives you the ball in hand and you place it next to your other stripe and tap it just hard enough to move the black up the cushion while you keep white on the cushion behind your ball, now he is at a disadvantage

In a tournament you would have the choice of agreeing to the re-rack or playing a legal shot to force the issue and a result in that rack (probably a loss in reality). In most cases there would be still be time to complete any re-rack game and if there wasn't well thats part of your decision makling process on either agreeing to the re-rack or forcing the result.

That is better than what exists currently whereby it is a definite double DQ or a result gained by someone giving up.

By making in automatic everyone is in the same boat. By making it optional you can deliberately choose to Double DQ or hope to win by your opponent giving up.

yeah jay is right, make sure to get the snooker and your at the advantage.

Three consecutive fouls each is 120 seconds maximum - and should be nearer 20 seconds if players just slam the white into a pocket!!

Yeah i understand that , BUT if the black was on more of an angle . yeah thats a little straight i didnt think about it too much ive just woken up

fair enough the only problem is what if you are in a position to win the frame but don't want to do the re-rack?

not disagreeing just want to cover every angle.

You couldn't have an automatic re-rack in friendly game, and unavailable in tournaments, there's no continuity and you'd basically have two different game types.

Nobody got any thoughts on the free ball?

RIGHT , No one is going to agree. Not much point talking about it if all you get is other people deniyals