Me either , Its a bit like liverpool playing football .... Just dont wanna see it

Thanks

but when people have done this against me, ive always shown them how i feel to be honest, and there have been times where ive almost give up and started doing it just because i think ill be the only one that isnt soon haha . but i still havent done it

haha!

jees liverpool dont go there not after tonight

It gets better when you watch city play , Then when UNITED play the lights go out we are so powerfull

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that I have no issues with doing it if I need to as I'm breaking no rules ...

agreed, only time i would probably do it is in a clan match where frames matter. 9 Ball and US are good for doing these, UK can be but need to be inch perfect

dgen an inch is 2.54 cm approx ain't it, my screens 15.4 so I reakon I can manage that

Normally not though

It's simple really though. If the real rules of the game allow it, it's not an unsportsmanlike play. This is how the tactics of 8US work in real life! On snooker on the other hand, it is unsportsmanlike to push out or do things like that.

Personally I think anything other then deliberately missing and leaving your opponent on is unsportsmanlike!

Most safety play requires little effort though, it's about keeping your balls on the table and letting the opponent pot til you are in an advantageous situation from not trying to play.

In the analogy you used, you've talked about the secondary act of good sportsmanship. The first being the initial act of putting the ball out.

To me, it is more like the opponents safety play is like carrying on playing with an injured player down, and the deliberate fouling would be the second team then doing the same thing afterwards.

The difference is deliberate fouling always leaves the opponent with a ball in hand whereas safety play does not. So you put yourself at a disadvantage when deliberately fouling.

Yeah but the point is zant , When your ball is either impossible to pot or that if you try to play it , it would result in them having an open ball then having the ball in your hand makes no difference what so ever.

And the point I'm making is that you get the chance to try and change the table back into your favour with that ball in hand, whether you have a shot on or not (and it's not always the case that you having a ball in hand makes no difference, I've won plenty of games from players deliberately fouling and me using the ball in hand to clear up when i wouldn't have cleared up without it)

Against safety play you don't get that chance really, and a player constantly playing safe would slow a game down and can make it boring when 2 players end up refusing to pot because they know their opponent will just try to take advantage of the fact they have less balls on the table. Whereas deliberate fouling doesn't do that, and if used constantly the player would end up losing most likely.

This is an image of the type of deliberate foul that I find really annoying, the worst if you like.

Ignoring all balls behind baulk, in this scenario let's say I am stripes, and my opponent is solids, it is their visit. In a 'deliberate foul' situation, my opponent would pot the 13 (my ball) leaving me with a ball in hand, and no option but to play the 11. In what way, in this example, is a ball in hand going to do me any favours? (I have come across scenarios like this by the way).

By doing this my opponent is now a strong favourite to win the frame, whereas (lets say) my effort of playing the 11 onto his remaining ball, without knocking it in, has been thrown back at me, and will cost me the frame.

All I'm suggesting is that if a free ball would result after a foul, this would of stopped my opponent potting my loose ball on this occasion, as the free ball would allow me to play the simple plant, and come down the table for the black.

Another possibility is the allowance of combination shots? In the example, the balls are perfectly placed for my opponent to pot my loose ball, screw back and knock in his tied-up ball. If combination shots were allowed, this would be totally fair, and it would also bring variety to the game, with people trying all sorts of shots to try and pot tied-up balls. Making it more exciting

It is simple for me, i play to win not to lose so i would take the ball in hand and pot the white straight away. Sooner or later my opponent is going to get bored out his head and try something.

Failing that i would roll the black up to where the balls are situated as close as possible so if i did need to tap his ball in with mine then i would cover the black in doing so, so the situation is reversed on him/her now. Would require some precise spin on the white to get it done though.

Have won many games with the tactics i use above.

what would you do in 9 ball where 3 fouls = a loss

nice tactic though, i remember when playing tratter in 9 ball where he had a tough clear but chose to make it hard for me by a deliberate foul it was something i never seen in 9 ball and i respected his way of playing.

then of course the tip tap happened in UK so i got bored very quickly and had to do some tough clears to try and keep in the game as i wasn't prepared to tap for 30 minutes.

I am not a safety player in 9US it is pointless and don't get it. i'll only do it if they actually foul themself and i see i can maybe get the three foul thing.

The example in the picture is the classic 'stalemate' where no one can win without the opponent simply giving up. The position cannot be properly resolved within the 8 Ball rules as they are on here. Achieving a stalemate from a losing position in a real game can be great tactical play.

Still don't see why we can't have a 'stalemate' option introduced here whereby after three (or whatever number) consecutive fouls by each player the rack gets reset.

That sort of safety play is best used in 9 ball, if you've played your ball there then you are forcing them to play a deliberate foul because it is physically impossible to hit that ball. Therefore any consciously played shot would be a deliberate foul because you know you're going to foul.

The advantage would still be with the player on stripes because the player on solids would still need to foul again to finish. The player in stripes has several options, using the black would be the best option.

If the solids player pots the white then the stripe player can use the black to get the win, if the solids player tries to move the red enough to be able to
pot the purple then the safety would be on to prevent them being able to get to the purple and you could use that several times to get enough room to pot the red. Either way my advantage comes from the fact I will get a ball in hand and the opponent is forced to foul further.

The orange ball serves little purpose, as there is a great risk of you fouling when using it to free your red ball whether you try and get it also in that corner or pot it and spin the white to knock the red free.

You lost me early doors

Lets assume the solid was hanging over the pocket (more than in picture), and the stripe was touching it full ball so that any touch on the stripe pots the solid.

That is a stalemate. There is no legal shot or illegal shot that wins the game unless someone gives up.

In 9 Ball and UK8 it is different - the rules allow ways out of what might appear to be a stalemate.