My bad,

In our league intentional fouls are against the rules ... May only be ours then but its still a dirty way to play. But as everyone says they play to win no matter what obsticle gets the way

results say it all i been back 3 days it aint there admit your wrong lol

How is it dirty when it is in the rules, you are fighting a losing battle on this one pal. Just because you don't play like it does not make someone a cheat or a dirty player. Its in the rules on here and in real life so there for it is legal.

There will come a day when you do actually do it yourself as i never used to do it when i first started playing, but like i said i play to win as it would pointless playing to lose so i will use it if i need to. I find it a cheap way out when people use it constantly in a game or in a series of games but i still go with it.

Nooo i understand what your all saying and it isnt that im fighting a losing battle its just that well here's and example

8UK Yes i understand its a different game type , You get a ball colour for a reason , you pot all your colour and the black & you win ... Well were as you pot the opposite colour its imediatly a foul and two shots given ..

In other words you dont get given a colour/Stripe/Spots if you dont need to pot them balls its like me playing for a stripe and potting it and then finishing off by potting all the spots it defeats the object

By the way this isnt me making an arguements , Just trying to prove a point that by the looks of it has no backing to it lol

I think I get it, do you mean like, say, you have a ball over two pockets, and he has a ball in front of one of yours, and he knocks your ball in so that you'll have to attempt your ball that's as good as snookered?

As for having a point that has no-one backing it, that's alright, we're all entitled to our opinions; you could easily have a novel idea that has 100% agreement, and that's what the forums is all about: healthy discussion of opinions.

i think us8 rules should change so that if a foul has acured when u have ball in hand it should be open table .

Agreed clooneman,I went too far and shouldn't start branding members halfwits. Apologies to serious_game. It's just frustratring as an avid watcher of professional pool and a keen follower of the game how many people think this legitimate tactic is "cheating". It's a totally valid tactic, and just as much a part of the game as potting. The only leagues in the Country that outlaw the use of the pro foul, are playing outdated, antiquated rules. I had the same opinion when my leagues first changed over to World Rules, but I would never go back now. I'd probably stop playing 8ball on here if they added an incorrect ruling to outlaw the tactic.

i agree that this is a losing battle, its just a difference in opinion. depending on where you are in the world, the rules change slightly when playing real life thats just how it works. but this tactic of deliberately fouling/potting an opponents ball to gain an advantage is something thats happening more regularly on this site, its just some of the methods people are using to win.

but the fact that its allowed on this site and doing so results in a foul and ball in hand for the opponent is just how it works on here. theres nothing you can do about it, and im not an expert in website designing, but even i can see how difficult/impossible it would be to make the site know if a foul is deliberate or not.

im not backing the tactics, because i know Stu for one person, and a few more know how much i dislike it happening, but ive had to grow to sort of accept it.. beacuse like i said, theres nothing i can do about it.

in conclusion, it isnt illegal (here anyway), im sure quite a few will agree with me its just bad etiquette/sportmanship, and is frowned upon. 95% of the time if you played these shots in a real life league game, it would just result in a ball in hand/2 shots against (depending on what rules people play), and you would not make any new friends in a hurry, and would get dirty looks/a cue across the head for doing it, but again, in most cases its within the rules and nothing can be done about it

totally agree, this would solve the problem in most cases

now for chapter 2 of my novel.......

I was right about something?

I wouldn't say it's particularly bad sportsmanship. I've had the tactic used on me and used it too, I see no problem with it. It's a good counter to use against safety play I find. Also the other person is free to use it as well as another counter, in which case the game becomes very tactical and can require intellegence to force a mistake or actually get out of the situation into a winning one.

Can't exactly say it's not in the spirit of the game when safety play is about (deliberately not potting). It can also be used in 9 ball to trap an object ball and force the 3 fouls upon an opponent, and also in 8uk to limit damage caused when trapped.

zantetsukenz You make it sound like your kung fu'in the balls ...Couter attacking :) ahaha

I get what your saying though , I do understand

Ive noticed a lot of people use it , i was just very confused :(

i tend to do it of some1 is pocket hogging lol

The only reason why i didnt like it is because players play good shots to get there ball into the jaw , only for someone to roll it in

I agree with zante for once, he hit it in a nutshell ^^

i disagree and think it is bad sportsmanship, especially if you/the opponent has worked to deliberately put a ball safe or to get the snooker (over the pocket perhaps), to have the effort thrown back at them.

like in football; a player is down injured, and an opponent kicks the ball out of play so that player can get treatment. this results normally in a throw in, and 99% of the time the taker throws the ball back to the keeper/defence of the opposing team. he doesnt have to do this, but in good sportmanship he does, but if he didnt and passed the ball to his teammate and carried on the game, he's perfectly within the law to do so, but most players wouldnt.. to me, this has exactly the same effect.

but i do see why people play these kind of shots to get an advantage, especially because it is legal, id just prefer not to see it

ok so if there comes a time where the only way u can win is to pot there ball knowing that if u dont tey will win are u telling me you woudnt do it

ive had times like that, and no ive never done it. i always try and hit my ball, no matter how difficult it is