Got to agree with onevisit, i have said for a number of seasons now that pre season friendlies are pointless. CnG got in last season no problem but were always likely to be car crash and fold which is what happened. Best case scenario CnG would have lasted one or two seasons, worst case they were folding in season one. Shooters were an unexpected fold but not probably surprising with some of what was going on at the time.
We have UT reformed for the 4th time or something like that, i have lost count. Chances are they will be the same as CnG, best case a few seasons, worst case they will fold season one. They will pass pre season no problem so the friendlies do not tell us anything we probably don't already know. TRO were denied entry into league last season yet completed all fixtures in TCL and killer league, yes they struggled but they got through. The point is we are always going to have clans fold it happens nearly every season and pre season friendlies have not added anything other than extending the time between seasons. We should accept that it will happen and get on with it.

And for the record i would accept UT into any league even though i know that one season they will fold. It is part of clans, players go inactive, lose interest and the players that are left either get on with it or the clan folds. But on the other side of the coin UT have the potential to be a great clan

I like the pre season friendlys as proves which of ur players are reliable and not and most organize friendlys any way but I think if u competed year before u should be in league with out proving reliability and it should be new clans who have to be tested on reliability only

mich- you mentioned earlier about teams being excluded after the friendlies: That was on snooker, where we've taken out teams for the past 2 or 3 season I think.

If you take out friendlies, my question is this:
How do you keep idiot clans out?
Say some clown makes a clan 2 few days before the start of the league with 10 other clowns in it and they try to join the league. How do you keep them out if there are no friendlies? Do you just tell them no?

Friendlies, if done right, are pretty useful I think, although with 3 leagues, a short break would've been nice.

i like the friendlies as it gives me practice games where i can relax and have fun. league games mostly i can't do that as i either feel pressure or try too hard.

Clowns, Dictators & Ego Maniacs all ends up = same thing.

It is nearly a month since the league ended, bar the cup final which would be two weeks ago. A month for other teams including yours. I could easily have held it off to wait for FBL but that would have took another two weeks at most. Like every other season i get constantly asked when the next season is coming out and all that jazz.

lol it makes no difference to me what the reasons were. I'm telling you that we have had no break because we were in a final and already started the friendlies for the next season.
I'm sure you have reasons for doing it this way- I'm just saying we had no break and a break would've been nice.

I guess the backing of your closest friends is all you need
The way you and keith feel about what happened in the fbl is an opinion, NOT shared by all.
I'd go with 0 bonus points myself, I thought 10 was a good compromise.
You've turned the fcl into a big cup match, now everything can be decided by one match
might as well not even bother counting frames with a bonus that big
I know, non-negotiable right?, I don't have to like it, and the fcl doesnt have to remain my favorite league.
Not even a poll?!

There's a chance, with the amount of frames in the format, it wont cause an upset, but your asking for one.
As soon as a clan wins the league, while losing frame difference by 20+, II'll be here saying I told you so.

Edited at 01:33 Tue 21/05/13 (BST)

Are you at least gonna ensure that the teams play each other twice?( I'm not sure if they already do)
That would help with the problem I have.

Backing of my close friends? There was no backing at all.

Since i have ran the league the winning clan has always won by a decent margin and won all their games. While it be 10 win bonus or 20 it really does not matter as there is always a clear winner in the end. I don't see a clan going negative in frame difference and winning the league for one as to go negative you would need to lose a few games.

Teams play each other once in the season as it is one big league. If you wanted to play twice with the current teams in Pre Season (If they all made it) then you would be looking at 20 league fixtures and then the cup on top of that. Way to many fixtures and nearly about 5 months for one league season...

Reason there is no poll is simple, FCL can afford to use the 10 win bonus or the 20, as there is a slim chance that a clan who wins all their games would lose the league because of the larger format. I know there was a case of this a few seasons back (Maybe pot_the_lot was league runner then, im not really sure) But it has not happened since i have been running the league.

Poll is not accurate enough either as not everyone chooses to vote on it.

i agree these pre- friendlys are pointless , your players play well and other teams try and poach them . i also think there should be a rule if a player joins a clan before start of season then they cant move so quickly , meaning onua ,long_potz , rynocov .

there should be some security for the clan when u sign a player as all clans build . i understand clans asking players to join thats normal but when its new signings its a tad annoying .

i think this transfer rule should also be in both FCL and FBL . hopeing FCL adopts this and FBL follows . also super league

Edited at 10:35 Tue 21/05/13 (BST)

i think when a person agrees to join ur clan u sign them up and then they leave and go to another clan if they do that they should be banned till transfer window opens

Ive already said all this huts, when you join a clan u are permitted and obliged to spend minimum amount of time with that team 2 weeks, out of respect:
1. Your new Captain
2. Your new team mates
3. League Runners and not wasting their time.

Surely this should be implemented asap. The moment the pre season fixtures are released their should be a transfer window closed until mid season?

That would eliminate the better teams from nabbing the lesser teams better players

A team which loses their better players loses its nucleus, which to me is very unfair.

Edited at 10:44 Tue 21/05/13 (BST)

Edited at 10:49 Tue 21/05/13 (BST)

totally agree . every clan captain / vice capt spends alot of time looking for good players to join and getting them .

i feel unless this rule is implemented / used , then its unfair to all other clans .

Edited at 10:49 Tue 21/05/13 (BST)

Whats the point of entering if you are just going to feed the better teams with more players? Meant to be competition. Id love to see something bought in like you have in fantasy football like a kinda transfer budget system lol, maybe im just being KRAZY now lol.

I personally wouldn't want any player at Uprising if they'd rather be in another clan. To enforce a rule that would force a player to stay wouldn't benefit the clan, or the player.

Yeah i see where you are coming from but they shouldnt be able to just decide to leave when it suits and still expect to participate with the same season? I know I may sound like a hypocrite now as I myself have moved from 3 teams already now im settled in my first vice captain role which I did not expect. In my defence I made all my moving before the pre season fixtures were released whereas players should not be able too in my opinion. More transfer windows could eliminate all this moving around malarky.

Totally agree. It would never work anyway, people would just refuse to play and it would end up loads of people not been able to play in a clan until a new season starts, clans struggle to find players as it is so it would just be a disaster.

I can't your post seriously Lee (Huts24). Reason being you are only here posting as you lost by far your best player who you actually "poached" from another team anyway.

I posted stating that a smaller window was going to open after the Pre Season and before league games but i have decided against it, the transfer have to be completed by end of Pre Season. Players have another opportunity when it comes to the mid season window to leave a clan and join one but after that there is no transfers unless a team is struggling with players or a player is unfairly booted from a clan.