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04:39 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
In first version, yes i would continue to try and get game played, by posting asking their captain to try and talk them round, i would also send a message to the player asking him if he wanted to play on. That would be the minimum i would expect anyone to do and if there was 11 days left i would post asking more than once.
In second version, playing a game if i was leaving would be risky, if you did leave i would message stating please come back and finish. I would also post on the clan thread stating that you had left and as i am on vacation unless you come back and finish now then it will be impossible to get game completed. If you then message repeatedly you would get some points and i would expect i may get one or two as well. I certainly wouldn't expect 33% of them if i was unavailable for 78% of the fixture. Yes it would be a tough one to take but as long as the default rules state that both players have a responsibility to get game finished i would have to accept as if i am not there i would have minimal award on default if any if the rules are applied.
I don't know why the guy didn't log in anymore. But would you make further effort after you've talked to the guy and he says he doesn't want to play? I would accept that, record it, and not htink about it again.
How about this then- you tell me you can only play today and are leaving on vacation after. I, being a tricky little dirtbag, decide to play 3 frames and then leave. You can't show effort the rest of the way, because you'll be gone. I then send you loads of messages. Do you not get points for making the effort to play?
If it wasn't for egotistical, the game would've been played as normal. That's probably why the score came out the way it did. It's easy to argue for both sides here.
How about this then- you tell me you can only play today and are leaving on vacation after. I, being a tricky little dirtbag, decide to play 3 frames and then leave. You can't show effort the rest of the way, because you'll be gone. I then send you loads of messages. Do you not get points for making the effort to play?
If it wasn't for egotistical, the game would've been played as normal. That's probably why the score came out the way it did. It's easy to argue for both sides here.
In first version, yes i would continue to try and get game played, by posting asking their captain to try and talk them round, i would also send a message to the player asking him if he wanted to play on. That would be the minimum i would expect anyone to do and if there was 11 days left i would post asking more than once.
In second version, playing a game if i was leaving would be risky, if you did leave i would message stating please come back and finish. I would also post on the clan thread stating that you had left and as i am on vacation unless you come back and finish now then it will be impossible to get game completed. If you then message repeatedly you would get some points and i would expect i may get one or two as well. I certainly wouldn't expect 33% of them if i was unavailable for 78% of the fixture. Yes it would be a tough one to take but as long as the default rules state that both players have a responsibility to get game finished i would have to accept as if i am not there i would have minimal award on default if any if the rules are applied.
04:41 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
See but that to me isn't applying common sense. We would both know that I tricked you into it and that it was my fault it didn't get played. No need to bother with potentially poorly-phrased formalities when the answer is obvious.
While I'm at it, there should be no official posted guidelines for the default team anyway. They should simply vote on the result they believe to be fair based on their knowledge and evidence in the default.
While I'm at it, there should be no official posted guidelines for the default team anyway. They should simply vote on the result they believe to be fair based on their knowledge and evidence in the default.
04:50 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
Sorry i have to disagree as they should award defaults based on the rules of the league. Why have the rules if they are not applied?
For the default in question i agree with nothing for ego, but there is no way that 5 points to scooby can be justified if you apply the rules from the point the game stopped there was no effort on both teams side to get game finished so why award points to either player? If scooby had been active form the point that game stopped and posted and messaged throughout the remaining 11 days i would have expected him to get all the remaining points available and would have been questioning the default if he hadn't. But in this case he has not been online so you cannot justify giving him 33% of the points for the fixture and over 50% of the points that were available for default as an award if you apply the rules.
See but that to me isn't applying common sense. We would both know that I tricked you into it and that it was my fault it didn't get played. No need to bother with potentially poorly-phrased formalities when the answer is obvious.
While I'm at it, there should be no official posted guidelines for the default team anyway. They should simply vote on the result they believe to be fair based on their knowledge and evidence in the default.
While I'm at it, there should be no official posted guidelines for the default team anyway. They should simply vote on the result they believe to be fair based on their knowledge and evidence in the default.
Sorry i have to disagree as they should award defaults based on the rules of the league. Why have the rules if they are not applied?
For the default in question i agree with nothing for ego, but there is no way that 5 points to scooby can be justified if you apply the rules from the point the game stopped there was no effort on both teams side to get game finished so why award points to either player? If scooby had been active form the point that game stopped and posted and messaged throughout the remaining 11 days i would have expected him to get all the remaining points available and would have been questioning the default if he hadn't. But in this case he has not been online so you cannot justify giving him 33% of the points for the fixture and over 50% of the points that were available for default as an award if you apply the rules.
11:11 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
Just everyone in Chips n Gravy...and Snooker Squad...and Uprising....
them clans might i dont reckon everyone does like the priest is making out weve all had default decisions weve not been happy with thats tthe problem when people have different opinions unfortunately and with it being locked at a average but thats the best way to do it when u have so many opinions
this rubbish about everyone being against sinners is a joke we all have had bad default decisions its not just your clan just get over it its only a game
Just everyone in Chips n Gravy...and Snooker Squad...and Uprising....
them clans might i dont reckon everyone does like the priest is making out weve all had default decisions weve not been happy with thats tthe problem when people have different opinions unfortunately and with it being locked at a average but thats the best way to do it when u have so many opinions
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11:14 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
ive actually voted against my own players on snooker as i believe if your on the default team you should look at it from a neutral and mates/clan dont come into the matter..
and for the record no one can comment on their own defaults
ive actually voted against my own players on snooker as i believe if your on the default team you should look at it from a neutral and mates/clan dont come into the matter..
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11:35 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
ive actually voted against my own players on snooker as i believe if your on the default team you should look at it from a neutral and mates/clan dont come into the matter..
I have too, last season when I was a part of ninja warriors I actually voted against my team, the prediction was discarded in the end as posting on your own defaults was not allowed but I am not bothered about doing it.
I look at the information presented and base my prediction on that.
and for the record no one can comment on their own defaults
ive actually voted against my own players on snooker as i believe if your on the default team you should look at it from a neutral and mates/clan dont come into the matter..
I have too, last season when I was a part of ninja warriors I actually voted against my team, the prediction was discarded in the end as posting on your own defaults was not allowed but I am not bothered about doing it.
I look at the information presented and base my prediction on that.
11:48 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
I have not posted as i have been busy so sorry for that, and as i stated before on a page here i will not be posting to do with any default. It is been made VERY clear to me that some are against me and with me and i accept that and how an explanation to something i had no control over is going to help matters is beyond me. I explained how the default panel came to that decision in the first place from what i read of the panel views on it and someone tried to twist what i said which really didn't work at all.
@ davey_1985 - Davey your view on how points should be given is good but you have forgotten that there is 15 frames in the FCL and there can't be a break down on all of them, people have tried and it has failed sadly.
As for one person being on the panel from each team, i tried this and it was my idea to begin with but for the last two seasons it has been anonymous on the panel, the one member from each team may have worked if any actual posted. The last time i checked a default came out and from the 10 people that could have posted on it 2 - 3 did. That is why it is not done and i should not have to explain that either.
I am done with this whole default rubbish now though as im not going to get dragged into an argument with a few people especially ones that hold a certain place on this site. If anyone wants to talk rules then fair play i will post
@ davey_1985 - Davey your view on how points should be given is good but you have forgotten that there is 15 frames in the FCL and there can't be a break down on all of them, people have tried and it has failed sadly.
As for one person being on the panel from each team, i tried this and it was my idea to begin with but for the last two seasons it has been anonymous on the panel, the one member from each team may have worked if any actual posted. The last time i checked a default came out and from the 10 people that could have posted on it 2 - 3 did. That is why it is not done and i should not have to explain that either.
I am done with this whole default rubbish now though as im not going to get dragged into an argument with a few people especially ones that hold a certain place on this site. If anyone wants to talk rules then fair play i will post
13:43 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
Sorry i have to disagree as they should award defaults based on the rules of the league. Why have the rules if they are not applied?That's exactly what I said. There should be no official guidelines for the defaults. The people involved should simply judge based on the evidence and knowledge (which includes whether someone quit mid-game) what the fair score is.
See but that to me isn't applying common sense. We would both know that I tricked you into it and that it was my fault it didn't get played. No need to bother with potentially poorly-phrased formalities when the answer is obvious.
While I'm at it, there should be no official posted guidelines for the default team anyway. They should simply vote on the result they believe to be fair based on their knowledge and evidence in the default.
While I'm at it, there should be no official posted guidelines for the default team anyway. They should simply vote on the result they believe to be fair based on their knowledge and evidence in the default.
Sorry i have to disagree as they should award defaults based on the rules of the league. Why have the rules if they are not applied?
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14:09 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
Yer i get where your coming from jay and there is always gonna be a default fixture what causes problems.. me personally couldnt really care as i play every game im given and feel people who dont play shouldnt get any points..
If that was the only problem i had to worry about in life then i would be a happy man..
If that was the only problem i had to worry about in life then i would be a happy man..
15:50 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
Him being inactive for just less than 78% of the fixture means you can't give him all the points available. But considering the percentage 2 points is an appropriate number for active. However, defaults are not solely based on activity as the rules show.
If the effort ego made was mirrored by scooby, the game might not have even had 6 frames played. If the effort scooby made was mirrored by ego, the game would've been completed. It's that simple. Therefore scooby should be entitled to points for making effort. 3 points for this isn't ridiculous.
The correct person was rightly punished in the default so no way does the league runner need to intervene
If the effort ego made was mirrored by scooby, the game might not have even had 6 frames played. If the effort scooby made was mirrored by ego, the game would've been completed. It's that simple. Therefore scooby should be entitled to points for making effort. 3 points for this isn't ridiculous.
The correct person was rightly punished in the default so no way does the league runner need to intervene
21:03 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
You keep trying to justify 5 points. Sorry but to get over 50% of the points available for shown 78% inactivity doesn't add up, the rules quite clearly state for any unfinished games that both players have a responsibility to get game finished, not sure how a player manages this when he doesn't log in
Also i might be wrong but i think egotistical played another clan game during that 11 days when scooby was offline so he must still be playing clan games so game could have been completed if scooby had logged in.
Him being inactive for just less than 78% of the fixture means you can't give him all the points available. But considering the percentage 2 points is an appropriate number for active. However, defaults are not solely based on activity as the rules show.
If the effort ego made was mirrored by scooby, the game might not have even had 6 frames played. If the effort scooby made was mirrored by ego, the game would've been completed. It's that simple. Therefore scooby should be entitled to points for making effort. 3 points for this isn't ridiculous.
The correct person was rightly punished in the default so no way does the league runner need to intervene
If the effort ego made was mirrored by scooby, the game might not have even had 6 frames played. If the effort scooby made was mirrored by ego, the game would've been completed. It's that simple. Therefore scooby should be entitled to points for making effort. 3 points for this isn't ridiculous.
The correct person was rightly punished in the default so no way does the league runner need to intervene
You keep trying to justify 5 points. Sorry but to get over 50% of the points available for shown 78% inactivity doesn't add up, the rules quite clearly state for any unfinished games that both players have a responsibility to get game finished, not sure how a player manages this when he doesn't log in
Also i might be wrong but i think egotistical played another clan game during that 11 days when scooby was offline so he must still be playing clan games so game could have been completed if scooby had logged in.
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21:37 Fri 1 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
You keep trying to justify 5 points. Sorry but to get over 50% of the points available for shown 78% inactivity doesn't add up, the rules quite clearly state for any unfinished games that both players have a responsibility to get game finished, not sure how a player manages this when he doesn't log in
Also i might be wrong but i think egotistical played another clan game during that 11 days when scooby was offline so he must still be playing clan games so game could have been completed if scooby had logged in.
I got told ego was subbed out of our game because he couldn't play the rest of the fixture. Then he was off a couple days and played late on deadline day when he had a spare couple hours...
Him being inactive for just less than 78% of the fixture means you can't give him all the points available. But considering the percentage 2 points is an appropriate number for active. However, defaults are not solely based on activity as the rules show.
If the effort ego made was mirrored by scooby, the game might not have even had 6 frames played. If the effort scooby made was mirrored by ego, the game would've been completed. It's that simple. Therefore scooby should be entitled to points for making effort. 3 points for this isn't ridiculous.
The correct person was rightly punished in the default so no way does the league runner need to intervene
If the effort ego made was mirrored by scooby, the game might not have even had 6 frames played. If the effort scooby made was mirrored by ego, the game would've been completed. It's that simple. Therefore scooby should be entitled to points for making effort. 3 points for this isn't ridiculous.
The correct person was rightly punished in the default so no way does the league runner need to intervene
You keep trying to justify 5 points. Sorry but to get over 50% of the points available for shown 78% inactivity doesn't add up, the rules quite clearly state for any unfinished games that both players have a responsibility to get game finished, not sure how a player manages this when he doesn't log in
Also i might be wrong but i think egotistical played another clan game during that 11 days when scooby was offline so he must still be playing clan games so game could have been completed if scooby had logged in.
I got told ego was subbed out of our game because he couldn't play the rest of the fixture. Then he was off a couple days and played late on deadline day when he had a spare couple hours...
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00:34 Sun 10 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
No arguments on here for a while; this is good. Strange that it coincides with there being no arguments on Sinners' thread as well. I wonder what the link is!!
23:20 Thu 14 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
I am not finishing any game with anyone i have officially removed myself from the clan and any clan related play in the future.
I left as my temper got the better of me and snookering me WITH an already easy clear on was really the last straw in that game.
I tagged you stating that you would get another player to finish the game off and im sure erigert will sort that out for you.
Good luck Elite Force with the season
I left as my temper got the better of me and snookering me WITH an already easy clear on was really the last straw in that game.
I tagged you stating that you would get another player to finish the game off and im sure erigert will sort that out for you.
Good luck Elite Force with the season
You have no say in how i behave.
When i am playing in a clan game or posting as a clan member i am not the head runner of that league and i have always stated that. What i do outside the FCL work that i do is nothing to do with the league
I am getting on with it and like i said to erigert, this has been coming a long time. Those are not the only reasons and they are definitely not the main ones either.
Like i said good luck for the season.
When i am playing in a clan game or posting as a clan member i am not the head runner of that league and i have always stated that. What i do outside the FCL work that i do is nothing to do with the league
I am getting on with it and like i said to erigert, this has been coming a long time. Those are not the only reasons and they are definitely not the main ones either.
Like i said good luck for the season.
How many times Lee, i am not a runner when i play for any clan i am just me. Believe it or not i am not keen on the actual rule myself but something had to be done to keep defaults and partially played game numbers down as it was getting very ridiculous.
As for getting my bum kicked, well i don't see it that way in the slightest. If i was getting my bum kicked i would have left a lot earlier. The game it self should have been closer at that point buy hey ho, i have and had more personal reasons behind me leaving the game, leaving the clan as a whole in the space of 30 minutes.
Please stop with the i am a league runner rubbish and should not leave anything. I will point out again that when playing games or anything that is clan related for the team i play for that i am and don't act as a league runner. It really does not matter what i say though as most people online don't really care about facts or anything else so won't waste my time.
Personally think you don't like the rule due to you would more than likely been awarded full points in a default. Like i said before though the rule was brought in after set one due to defaults and partially played game and any captain would and probably should like and follow the rule as it has worked exceptionally for other leagues and especially on Snooker, i am not keen on it much due to how technical the rule can be though but there is only a few ways to explain and word it.
As for getting my bum kicked, well i don't see it that way in the slightest. If i was getting my bum kicked i would have left a lot earlier. The game it self should have been closer at that point buy hey ho, i have and had more personal reasons behind me leaving the game, leaving the clan as a whole in the space of 30 minutes.
Please stop with the i am a league runner rubbish and should not leave anything. I will point out again that when playing games or anything that is clan related for the team i play for that i am and don't act as a league runner. It really does not matter what i say though as most people online don't really care about facts or anything else so won't waste my time.
Personally think you don't like the rule due to you would more than likely been awarded full points in a default. Like i said before though the rule was brought in after set one due to defaults and partially played game and any captain would and probably should like and follow the rule as it has worked exceptionally for other leagues and especially on Snooker, i am not keen on it much due to how technical the rule can be though but there is only a few ways to explain and word it.
23:29 Thu 14 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
Moved this to league discussion thread to stop blocking up a clans thread.
Sorry jay but anyone can understand your frustration but as a league runner whether you are playing a clan game or not, you are always the league runner. So however you carry yourself or act will always be scrutinised. Yes everyone knows it can be tough and we all can get frustrated but as a league runner you have to act as you expect all others to act and play in the manner that should be fitting for the league that you run.
Any other player who is having a bad day will look at you quitting a game and think well if the league runner can do it why should i not do it. Leaving games and part finished games has been a bug bear since the start of the fcl, i can understand why you may get frustrated but as a league runner you should try and set the example of how clan games should be played and usually you do as i know from the past you always chase and get games played quickly (The correct example to set to everyone). I think in this case you may have been better making your excuses to leave and to calm down then finish it off another night, no one could have said anything then.
Sorry jay but anyone can understand your frustration but as a league runner whether you are playing a clan game or not, you are always the league runner. So however you carry yourself or act will always be scrutinised. Yes everyone knows it can be tough and we all can get frustrated but as a league runner you have to act as you expect all others to act and play in the manner that should be fitting for the league that you run.
Any other player who is having a bad day will look at you quitting a game and think well if the league runner can do it why should i not do it. Leaving games and part finished games has been a bug bear since the start of the fcl, i can understand why you may get frustrated but as a league runner you should try and set the example of how clan games should be played and usually you do as i know from the past you always chase and get games played quickly (The correct example to set to everyone). I think in this case you may have been better making your excuses to leave and to calm down then finish it off another night, no one could have said anything then.
23:30 Thu 14 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
Now i wait for the "and this is the person people want to run the league" speech
Fact of the matter is i see if differently to other people and so do some others see it differently. May be entitled to an opinion but does not mean people have to listen. I left a game for numerous reasons and reasons i do not need to unearth on the forums and people make such a big deal out of it.
I run the league and will continue to do so being in a clan or not being in one. Somewhere hope down the line that some people understand that and some others see that i am not biased in any way.
Fact of the matter is i see if differently to other people and so do some others see it differently. May be entitled to an opinion but does not mean people have to listen. I left a game for numerous reasons and reasons i do not need to unearth on the forums and people make such a big deal out of it.
I run the league and will continue to do so being in a clan or not being in one. Somewhere hope down the line that some people understand that and some others see that i am not biased in any way.
23:35 Thu 14 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
I see me being a player in a clan and nothing more, i can understand what others have said though but i am perfectly within my rights to leave a game as is anyone and if some people let it go that night without some stupid finger pointing and things then i would have calmed down and put my other issues (the personal one i mainly left for) to one side and finished the game but as i removed myself from the team from every league i was there stuck with the same rule others need to follow and i was not going to give myself a free pass as i would not do that for anyone else.
Right now clans seem to bring out the worst in me and they make this personal problem worse as well until it is sorted. I still want to and will remain to run the league, but right now i can't do the whole clan thing and to be honest i was getting sick of the biased comments being thrown at me.
Yes i edited as soon as i seen it was not you trying to have a go at me over something.
Right now clans seem to bring out the worst in me and they make this personal problem worse as well until it is sorted. I still want to and will remain to run the league, but right now i can't do the whole clan thing and to be honest i was getting sick of the biased comments being thrown at me.
Yes i edited as soon as i seen it was not you trying to have a go at me over something.
00:37 Fri 15 Mar 13 (GMT) [Link]
lol as league runner you should be open to constructive criticism anyway
I see me being a player in a clan and nothing more, i can understand what others have said though but i am perfectly within my rights to leave a game as is anyone and if some people let it go that night without some stupid finger pointing and things then i would have calmed down and put my other issues (the personal one i mainly left for) to one side and finished the game but as i removed myself from the team from every league i was there stuck with the same rule others need to follow and i was not going to give myself a free pass as i would not do that for anyone else.
Right now clans seem to bring out the worst in me and they make this personal problem worse as well until it is sorted. I still want to and will remain to run the league, but right now i can't do the whole clan thing and to be honest i was getting sick of the biased comments being thrown at me.
Yes i edited as soon as i seen it was not you trying to have a go at me over something.
Right now clans seem to bring out the worst in me and they make this personal problem worse as well until it is sorted. I still want to and will remain to run the league, but right now i can't do the whole clan thing and to be honest i was getting sick of the biased comments being thrown at me.
Yes i edited as soon as i seen it was not you trying to have a go at me over something.
lol as league runner you should be open to constructive criticism anyway
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