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KILLER RULES
Requirements
All clans registered with the FBL will automatically be entered into the FBL Killer Cup. However there is no pressure to play in the Cup, if you do not wish to participate then please message me once the fixtures have been released.
Format
The game room needs to be friendly, not ranked and the shot time can be agreed between players. There will be one match alongside each regular FBL fixture.
Players are not allowed to fix their positions for a more favourable order, you must play in the order that the game puts you in.
Requirements
All clans registered with the FBL will automatically be entered into the FBL Killer Cup. However there is no pressure to play in the Cup, if you do not wish to participate then please message me once the fixtures have been released.
Format
The game room needs to be friendly, not ranked and the shot time can be agreed between players. There will be one match alongside each regular FBL fixture.
Players are not allowed to fix their positions for a more favourable order, you must play in the order that the game puts you in.
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Playing Killer
As long as there is a minimum of 6 players (minimum 3 from each clan) then a game can be played, should a clan have more than 3 online and wanting to play then they are also allowed to join, the numbers do not have to be even.
Players will be required to play 2 games of killer, this can be in succession of each other or you can arrange a separate killer match with different players at a later date.
Scoring
Only the top 5 players will be able to earn points.
1st = 12 Points
2nd = 4 Points
3rd = 3 Points
4th = 2 Points
5th = 1 Point
6th and onwards = 0 points
At the end of the 2 games whoever has obtained the most points will be through to the next round. In the event of a tie, another game of killer will be played and the winner determines the clan that goes through.
Unplayed Games
In the event of an unplayed game, captains of both teams will be messaged and a decision on who goes through will be made based on information provided.
As long as there is a minimum of 6 players (minimum 3 from each clan) then a game can be played, should a clan have more than 3 online and wanting to play then they are also allowed to join, the numbers do not have to be even.
Players will be required to play 2 games of killer, this can be in succession of each other or you can arrange a separate killer match with different players at a later date.
Scoring
Only the top 5 players will be able to earn points.
1st = 12 Points
2nd = 4 Points
3rd = 3 Points
4th = 2 Points
5th = 1 Point
6th and onwards = 0 points
At the end of the 2 games whoever has obtained the most points will be through to the next round. In the event of a tie, another game of killer will be played and the winner determines the clan that goes through.
Unplayed Games
In the event of an unplayed game, captains of both teams will be messaged and a decision on who goes through will be made based on information provided.
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Please remember to see page 48 also for the other league rules
17:41 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
sub into partial played games, one problem, if a player deactivates when you are 14-0 up its not right that you should have to start at 0-0, maybe give the option to the clan who hasn't deactivated?
rest of the rules seem fine
rest of the rules seem fine
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17:49 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
Do agree here on both counts!
sub into partial played games, one problem, if a player deactivates when you are 14-0 up its not right that you should have to start at 0-0, maybe give the option to the clan who hasn't deactivated?
rest of the rules seem fine
rest of the rules seem fine
Do agree here on both counts!
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19:04 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
I don't agree on giving clans the option to decide how a game should go.
I shall negotiate and say that partially played games completed over the half way mark can be continued rather than reset.
I shall monitor games and assess each partially played game individually as to whether a reset or continuation should happen.
I shall negotiate and say that partially played games completed over the half way mark can be continued rather than reset.
I shall monitor games and assess each partially played game individually as to whether a reset or continuation should happen.
19:31 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
meant 5-0 not 14-0, silly FCL and fair enough, my reason being that i could be losing 4-0 to banana (with 3 days to go) and then purposely deactivate then reactivate in time for the new fixtures.
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19:37 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
Ah but the condition is players who deactivate are not allowed to rejoin the clan on reactivation, they will have to wait until mid season transfer to find another clan or wait until the end of the season.
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19:38 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
You also had me thinking FCL then LOL some FBL league runner I am Since FBL is only 6 frames I would just leave it as a straight reset on all partially played games.
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19:42 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
Can see players being pressured into deactivating key games when they are losing if its the key to winning later glories. Be it a league title or a cup round.
19:49 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
i wouldn't be happy if i played someone like hardy, go 5-0 up, he rage quits then deactivates, how would it be fair on me to reset to 0-0, i would want to continue from 5-0 with a sub for last frame. I wouldn't be happy in particular if we needed lets say 5 or 6 points for the league.
if someone who is winning deactivates the other clan would reset of course.
see my logic?
if someone who is winning deactivates the other clan would reset of course.
see my logic?
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21:44 Tue 1 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
Hmm true, well I shall have a think and revise if necessary, I may just add the part about continuing after half + frames played.
16:42 Wed 2 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
the rule that u cant sub for seven days i like as some people when games are released are asking me for subs instead of giving guy a chance to play game i always give my guys 7 days to play game unless there offline for 10 days when they will be removed
rule that anyone can make sub on deadline day is fine as long as person making sub does what us captains do and post it on our thread the opposing teams thread and fcl or fbl thread as sometimes id come on start trying to make subs and find out game has been played
rule that anyone can make sub on deadline day is fine as long as person making sub does what us captains do and post it on our thread the opposing teams thread and fcl or fbl thread as sometimes id come on start trying to make subs and find out game has been played
17:48 Wed 2 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
If a game is started the games that have played should stand regardless if it is one frame or 5 frames. Any player subbed into get game finished should continue from the current scoreline never from 0-0. If i am 2-0 up and then the player leaves and deactivates, then i lose against the sub 6-0 how can this be fair. He should only play the 4 games and the score would be 4-2 to him.
Right thoughts so far having skimmed through the FBL rules...
1.4 - I am removing the permission aspect of the rule. However I am leaning towards no transfers during the season but would like to introduce a mid season window for players to move freely during.
3.1 - I would like to reduce Straight to 1 point per frame, this leaves a 6 point shortfall from present points, therefore I may increase the rest of the game types to 7 frames instead of 6. Killer is to be removed from the League format.
7.5 - I will be introducing a rule that covers partially played games in the event of a player deactivating or getting banned. Scores will be reset to 0-0 and if the player has deactivated and comes back to clans, they are not allowed to rejoin the clan they left as they could deactivate to get a restart. They can however re-sign to another clan during the mid season transfer window if applicable.
8.0 - Defaults will be subject to a points system where you have to meet certain criteria to obtain the points, i.e. messaged opponent = 1 point, if you get a reasonable response that is 1 point to opposition, if they fail to respond the point goes to you. This way people cannot question the "bias" of anyone (obviously needs a tad of fine tuning).
TBC...
Edited at 11:18 Tue 18/12/12 (GMT)
1.4 - I am removing the permission aspect of the rule. However I am leaning towards no transfers during the season but would like to introduce a mid season window for players to move freely during.
3.1 - I would like to reduce Straight to 1 point per frame, this leaves a 6 point shortfall from present points, therefore I may increase the rest of the game types to 7 frames instead of 6. Killer is to be removed from the League format.
7.5 - I will be introducing a rule that covers partially played games in the event of a player deactivating or getting banned. Scores will be reset to 0-0 and if the player has deactivated and comes back to clans, they are not allowed to rejoin the clan they left as they could deactivate to get a restart. They can however re-sign to another clan during the mid season transfer window if applicable.
8.0 - Defaults will be subject to a points system where you have to meet certain criteria to obtain the points, i.e. messaged opponent = 1 point, if you get a reasonable response that is 1 point to opposition, if they fail to respond the point goes to you. This way people cannot question the "bias" of anyone (obviously needs a tad of fine tuning).
TBC...
Edited at 11:18 Tue 18/12/12 (GMT)
If a game is started the games that have played should stand regardless if it is one frame or 5 frames. Any player subbed into get game finished should continue from the current scoreline never from 0-0. If i am 2-0 up and then the player leaves and deactivates, then i lose against the sub 6-0 how can this be fair. He should only play the 4 games and the score would be 4-2 to him.
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01:37 Thu 3 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
For once Keith you make a valid point I too would be annoyed having lost my hard earned points. I never thought about it from that perspective, so I think that I will change the rule so the game is continued rather than reset as that makes more sense.
01:38 Thu 3 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
jema agreeing with keith??? wheres my camera
14:25 Thu 3 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link] The reason I prefer giving clans the option of agreeing on things is that ultimately you want a solution that both sides can live with. That's why we use this on snooker too ().
If you fix it to say that the game MUST restart at 0-0, the team that had a lead won't be happy.
If you fix it to say that the game MUST continue at the score that was played to, then teams may choose not to sub a deactivated player out. So if a team has a 3-1 lead in a game and their guy deactivates (yes, it's happened- last season there was this scenario with a 2-0 lead), then they might say they don't want to sub another guy in because they would lose their 3 frames. That means the game would go to default.
So if you leave the two clans involved to decide what happens, they can come up with their own solution which both sides can live with.
I don't agree on giving clans the option to decide how a game should go.
If you fix it to say that the game MUST restart at 0-0, the team that had a lead won't be happy.
If you fix it to say that the game MUST continue at the score that was played to, then teams may choose not to sub a deactivated player out. So if a team has a 3-1 lead in a game and their guy deactivates (yes, it's happened- last season there was this scenario with a 2-0 lead), then they might say they don't want to sub another guy in because they would lose their 3 frames. That means the game would go to default.
So if you leave the two clans involved to decide what happens, they can come up with their own solution which both sides can live with.
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14:41 Thu 3 Jan 13 (GMT) [Link]
It is easier to give the people of Snooker the option as you have it ALOT easier over there Unfortunately I think if I gave the clans on pool the option to decide what happens, I fear that it would cause more arguments than me just saying "this is how it is" There are too many people on power trips or just like to be plain annoying for me to give the option to
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