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whocares8x8
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02:54 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Nothing against defensive play, I just don't see why players should get bonus points if their opponent fouls, if a player pots the cue ball 3 shots in a row, pots the wrong ball or fails to get out of a snooker they put themselves in do I deserve to get a bonus point ?
That wouldn't happen though- you cant "put yourself" into a snooker without having potted one before, so that wouldn't give you a loss. It takes good play from the opponent.
There's nothing more skillful on this game than forcing someone into 3 consecutive fouls.
Also, Should someone get a bonus point potting from the breakoff and then fluking a combo? That has just as little merit as someone potting the cue ball 3 times in a row.
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02:59 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Bearing in mind bonus points are only going to affect the direct fixture I think that potentially allowing as many different ways of obtaining points as possible may keep games competitive for longer.

Any views on the viability of clans entering two interchangeable teams?
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03:06 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
All I'm saying is how can someone get bonus points for possibly doing nothing, yes you can go for snookers but its the opponent fouling, sometimes caused by their own bad play or even loss of power due to lag.
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03:10 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Nothing against defensive play, I just don't see why players should get bonus points if their opponent fouls, if a player pots the cue ball 3 shots in a row, pots the wrong ball or fails to get out of a snooker they put themselves in do I deserve to get a bonus point ?
That wouldn't happen though- you cant "put yourself" into a snooker without having potted one before, so that wouldn't give you a loss. It takes good play from the opponent.
There's nothing more skillful on this game than forcing someone into 3 consecutive fouls.
Also, Should someone get a bonus point potting from the breakoff and then fluking a combo? That has just as little merit as someone potting the cue ball 3 times in a row.

If I foul by snookering myself or potting the cue ball then you follow it by snookering me two more times do you deserve the bonus for 3 fouls when your only responsible for 2 ?
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03:10 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Bearing in mind bonus points are only going to affect the direct fixture I think that potentially allowing as many different ways of obtaining points as possible may keep games competitive for longer.

Any views on the viability of clans entering two interchangeable teams?


i'm all for the interchangable clan thing, and for 3 foul bonus points. seb hit the nail on the head with his comment over this a sec ago.
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03:11 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Nothing against defensive play, I just don't see why players should get bonus points if their opponent fouls, if a player pots the cue ball 3 shots in a row, pots the wrong ball or fails to get out of a snooker they put themselves in do I deserve to get a bonus point ?
That wouldn't happen though- you cant "put yourself" into a snooker without having potted one before, so that wouldn't give you a loss. It takes good play from the opponent.
There's nothing more skillful on this game than forcing someone into 3 consecutive fouls.
Also, Should someone get a bonus point potting from the breakoff and then fluking a combo? That has just as little merit as someone potting the cue ball 3 times in a row.

If I foul by snookering myself then you follow it by snookering me two more times do you deserve the bonus for 3 fouls when your only responsible for 2 ?


yes, go to the practice table and try and 3 foul yourself.
ab_rfc
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03:13 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Why should you get the bonus if your only responsible for possibly 1 or 2 of the fouls ?
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03:14 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
why should you get a bonus point for a run out when the 9 lands over a pocket and you tap it in?
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03:17 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I've not said you should get for that, but to be honest its your break and your luck that got it, your not relying on your opponent fouling and possibly due to poor play.
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03:22 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
i agree to disagree or this will go in circles :P
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04:36 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Had it plenty of times. You go in off then they miss and get a fluke snooker then go for the three fouls off their next shot. That's just lucky and undeserving of a bonus. Also you are giving a bonus point that you can only get in 9 ball. Gives people who play it a lot advantage and defensive players who play it a lot a big advantage
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05:09 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
But what it does do is allow for three different ways to score a bonus point in each of the three game types if you have 7 Balling bonus points too.

That's why it needs to be just 1) Run Outs, 2) Run Outs and GBs or 3) Run Outs, GBs, 7 Ballings and 3 Fouls.
erigert
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12:07 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Only runouts deserve the bonus point. the 3 fouls bonus has skills involved in it too, but i think that if we implement it here there will be a lot of abuse from players, trying to snooker everytime they are on the table. that way a 9 ball frame is going to last 10 minutes lol
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12:52 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Playing for snookers in 9 Ball is a high risk strategy that probably would not be worth taking generally. However if you were behind in a game then it would give an additional strategy option available to try and catch up.

I should have added in my post above that there is of course the 4th option of no bonuses at all but I think the majority would prefer some form of bonuses to make it different from anything else.
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13:03 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Glad to see you are bringing back the SL Chris, I just hope it's similar to the original as it was really good.
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13:28 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Thank you.

Its an amalgamation of what players posted they wanted/liked previously but subject to making this a different format to those that already exist.

Key Points

Each clan match is 5 individual games of 12 racks (4 of each) plus 2 Killer games (aimed at 2 v 2).

Players can play in both an individual game and a Killer game each fixture but cant play in both Killer games. Therefore a minimum of 5 players is all that is needed to complete a fixture - or a maximum of 9.

Having thought through the scoring system it needs to be 4 points for the clan fixture win, 2 points each for the draw and 1 point to a losing team if it achieves a losing margin of less than a certain amount (probably 25 points or less).

Things for discussion.

1) What the majority prefer re the event bonus points

2) The viability of allowing clans the option of having two fully interchangeable teams (eg an A & B team) take part. Players could play for either team at any stage but not for both during the same fixture period.

The actual format would be dependent on the number of clans - either as per the previous SL of one league and the end of season play-offs - or two groups and then the end of season play-offs. Dependent on how many fixture there are and to keep it in line with the time scales of other leagues.
faust
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14:10 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
If this was the format, Uprising would definitely enter two teams!
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14:18 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Im with faust on this one, I did champion the other tournament as I fancied a refreshing change but seeing as that has diminished I hope to enter Phoenix Storm into this with two teams?

Edited at 11:23 Fri 06/09/13 (BST)
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14:55 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
im all for two interchangable teams
fuunky
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16:07 Fri 6 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Unbelievable , i seriously can't believe some of the posts i have read, as i said to faust last night chris intends on bringing his league back but anyone is free to do their own league, so i'm not sure why there are all the snide comments about it being rather funny he has returned and that it's all to do with the new league someone else was setting up, he is still able to do that

I for one am glad chris is back running his league, he has proved without a shadow of a doubt he can run a league without being biased, getting involved in clan arguments and all the other rubbish that goes on within the clan leagues and that's not even mentioning the lack of confidence members have with certain runners ~ unbelievable

Rant over


Lol unbelievable. It's great when a mod here's something they don't like and can't do a thing about it, hope you get over it soon enough jooodles!!

I've never been a fan of winning by 3 fouls but it should be interesting, in my opinion it will be easier to win games if you're opponent is constantly going for snookers!!
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