golden cue will be updated soon, with the folding of UBs and TDs there is stuff I need to sort with the league tables before I can update golden cue. Please be patient.

*cough* FBL div 2

haha ive only just seen this, u must of read my mind i had it done yesterday but it was late so dint get it on the web till today

Sorry to see top dogs fold, great clan with some amazing players hope to see their return very soon antione mate.

Change of plan, the transfer window will open tonight around midnight so this will give everyone an extra day to decide if they want to move to another clan.

Swaps

why do we need swaps now ????
and if it is needed
it dosnt state the required swaps you can use

5.7 Swapping two players
As a means to combat time zone problems and the like, Captains may mutually agree to swap two players within a match if this improves chances of games getting played.



the rule on subs makes this un-required
5.3 Substitution limit
There are no limit on the number of substitutions that can be made in any fixture.
5.6 Substituted players' eligibility
A player who has been substituted is eligible to be substituted back in to play in any other game of that fixture . A player may only play once in any given fixture. A substitution is considered official from the moment the captain has posted it in the substitution thread.

The only reason i see a need for a swap now would be tactical. Unless captains approval is required (which it is now so do we need swaps)
if thats the case then sub dont swap

Edited at 08:52 Mon 30/01/12 (GMT)

my reason for this, i made a swap this season only for it to be immediately reversed and supported by the head league runner, i did this for the right reasons.

again it wouldve been the same if id subbed, a tactical reverse i think there a times in fixtures like this, that league runners should step in. this clan has gone but it may happen again. the swap rule clearly states if this improves chances of games getting played. which is why it was done.

the swap was made to help get the game played
and then tactically reversed, in its own right that clearly prevented a game from being played

so do we need swaps?????

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i think once youve been subbed into a game you cannot play in another fixture

however the player orignally named in the fixture, can be used as a sub in any other fixtures

ie
yetti v ab
yetti is subbed out , doubted2 is subbed in
yetti is now free to be subbed into any other fixture but doubted2 cannot.

and clear guidance given that if tactical subs or swaps are identified and used they (if swaps are still required) will not be tolerated by the league. in my humble oppinion.

Edited at 09:11 Mon 30/01/12 (GMT)

I guess a swap is just a quicker and simpler way than making two substitutes - but you're right that is the only reason they exist so they could be removed. If they stay I would think there cannot be a limit on swaps for the simple reason there is no limit on substitutes.

The reason the 'mutually agree' bit is there is because otherwise one Captain can make a swap just for the other Captain to swap his own players back and before you know it you're back where you started which is a bit pointless. You can't stop that happening no matter what (either with swaps or subs) if two Captains want to be difficult but no harm in trying to promote a bit of common sense in getting Captains to agree things together.

Re the second part most players want no restrictions on subs. It used to be that once you were subbed out of a fixture you could not be subbed back into that same fixture anywhere else but that was changed by popular demand.

It also follows on then that once you have no restrictions on subs then you can have no restriction on any form of so called 'tactical' sub either. Besides what is the definition of a 'tactical' sub? It's not something that can be defined and, even if it could, it's not something that could be readily identified at all times. Also, hopefully, there will be no intervention in respect of any sub by any league runners as it's not something that is currently within their remit.

so swaps or no swaps

thats the discussion i put forward
as subs already covers the issue

My view is keep swaps and remove the 'mutally agree' bit. Explains all the options available for changing players clearly then I think.

On the avicii ruling how can you ban someone from the league for alledgedly breaking a rule in a season before the rule was introduced?
Isn't this just making up the rules as you go?

That will not be answered on here, if you want to take it up with someone then im sure James will let you know the ins and outs mate.

we got a complaint since then and me and Jay agreed. i kept it in offline messages so all hell didn't break loose but even then...

if you want to appeal about kev, talk to Jay as i won't be a league runner when the division 2 defaults are done. but once he gives his final verdict please just accept it and don't go on a rant.

now can we move onto a happier subject?

James isn't even a league runner for next season so why should he have any say in the matter?

The ban was made during the season that was on going so had everything to do with James.

I did say i would carry any bans from this season over to next season though, and i intend to stick to it. I will have another look in to the ban though and decide soon (Probably not today)

Now can we take this off the thread please, it was done in private to avoid any arguments and all that so lets not let an argument erupt.

it would be a bit of a nonsense to lift a ban for any player allegedly cheating,,,,,,, playing on 2 different accounts

people making new accounts constantly is a joke,

funkypool should stamp this out once and for all,, if you couldnt do it you wouldnt have to worry about it.

personally the lengths people go to cheat is unreal....

craig the thing is allegedly cheating and proving someone is cheating is two different things right ?

Stop! before this erupts please, i already said i would look into it, if you want to get your point across then offline message me but dont put it here dont need any arguing right now.

Cheers guys

Craig allegedly is the word and you're the one that always quotes the rules.

The simple fact is there was nothing in the league rules about it before the start of this current season.
You can't bring in a rule then retrospectively punish people for breaking it before it was introduced....that is making up the rules as you go.
You also can't punish someone with a ban from rumours and hearsay.

on another topic

old players on new accounts, using their old account to be able to form a clan and captain it is also a nonsense.

you need to have a new account for a month to be able to play in the league,
BUT you can have an old account and be able to captain a team with 1 month on the account

i honestly dont get it

also a team this season where a new captain formed a team has had more defaults than ever before,,, is being allowed to form a new clan,, how and why can that be right.

if you prove as a new captain you dont get games played why make it easy to go again and cause more problems for this league