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The quote that epitomizes the current situation I think.

You get the point seb? You don't need activity trackers if people are properly making efforts to get games played then the evidence is there in messages and on forums.
If people make the effort to play games they get played 99 times out of 100 the rest are just pitiful excuses.
Fed up with people accepting defaults when teams have twice the players needed to play a game that takes an hour a fortnight, unlimited subs and unlimited swaps.
If people make an effort like we did above should be the only time you get a full 15 points and if you haven't made a fraction of those efforts you should get a poor result, then teams would get the games done.

Lmao at that from you who has lived on this site and snooker for how many years?!
Runs clans on both and leagues and does defaults in both leagues.
Now do you see how ridiculous that comment is coming from you lol

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Real shame great team who were just getting better and better you will be a big miss.
Not knowing the ins and out of these 'arguments and accusations' can only say you won't find a fairer person than Sarah in the whole of funkypool and when I read through the FBL defaults for this season to get an idea of how they work her comments were the most insightful by far.
Also as an FBL league runner Dex finally had someone who was taking the load off him and making good, sensible calls.

Whoever has brought this about has cost the clan world a big asset in my opinion...all the best mouses

lee i can only echo the above comments, the reasons for sarah folding the clan is well documented and it deeply offended her,,, also not getting the required support from all the league staff , it pushed her into folding the clan
not somthing she has taken lightly ,

yet again ! ! ! another very well run clan folds.
again, there seems to be one common problem.

before anyone starts

id like to say its not meeeeee

cos sarah said lol lol lol

I think you AGAIN misunderstood what I was referring to and start attacking me AGAIN. I was saying that kayleigh, judging by the comment, was feeling harassed to make subs (on her birthday) or get games played. Several people have recently complained about that.
That's what I was referring to
If we make this league a chore instead of fun, there's no point.

^ and thats one reason why a member of MVP has left the league next season.

league should be fun for everyone

Was thinking about games which start but where one player leaves and then either never returns, deactivates, is banned, or just refuses to play any more.

The rules are currently that the remaining games go to default. Although in theory they might not, in reality usually one player is awarded all of the remaining unplayed racks.

There have been discussions about allowing another player in to finish off the remaining games. I think it was generally agreed that was not ideal and was open to abuse in that any player losing could just leave to be replaced by a potentially 'better' one who might turn the game around.

How about if a replacement player was allowed to finish off any remaining games but was unable to score any points for the team. For example Player A leads Player B 6-1. Player B quits and deactivates or gets banned maybe. Another player can now come and replace Player B and finish off the remaining 8 racks. If they were shared 4-4 then the final score would be 10-1 to Player A.

The advantage is that the team whose player quit still suffers the penalty of not being able to score but has the opportunity to lessen the penalty they suffer in the overall match by stopping the opposition taking, in effect, what would otherwise have been a 'free' 8 points in a 14-1 default score. It is also fairer to the other teams in the division for the same reason and, as a bonus, reduces the work for the default panel. It probably could still be abused, but in my opinion, arguably only to a very limited level.

Additionally the player who quits having started a match should be removed from the league. Cant remember if that happens anyway but in any case thats a separate discussion point.

Still doesn't stop the replacement with a 'better' player, could include something where the player who is subbed in is only allowed to be of a similar or lower frame average - else face a small penalty depending on the difference

No it doesnt - but they can't score.

Could see maybe a scenario where a team with Player B in were leading overall and Player B (losing his/her game heavily) quit to be replaced by a better player to protect that lead. However you have to consider that Player B would then be removed from the league (a big thing to suffer) and also if his/her team were that worried and had a better player available why would they not have subbed him/her in anyway?

I would also be very reluctant to bring in anything which is subjective - ie judging someones ability

But in most of the scenario's it would apply to Player B would be deactivated/banned - so wouldn't be playing for them anyway.

May be rotating the team or allowing all members to get a game, or numerous reasons (better player may be on holiday for first week)

Still quite objective using the actual numbers rather than peoples opinion (though choice of how to judge who is a better player is subjective, it is one of the most appropriate for league use)

If a player decides to deactivate being 5-0 down and heading for a heavy defeat, there would be nothing stopping a better player being put in could end up making the score 7-0, when it was heading for around 14-1 under default/normal play

But again, looking at it critically, is it any different to making a tactical sub before the game starts? Yes in that the team is still punished. Had they made the sub in your example they would have probably scored in excess of 10 points whereas here they score zero. However the winning team earns its points from playing rather than as a gift.

I still think keeping it fair for other clans in the division is an important consideration too.

I think the benefits do outweigh the disadvantages. But thats just my opinion obviously.

Edited at 14:10 Thu 19/01/12 (GMT)

But would you think it would be fair if in a normal match someone better got subbed in to play a remaining amount of games?

Also, if the overall outcome is already decided - there's not going to be much motivation in wasting a sub in a game which they can't score. They would save subs for any other outstanding games and let the game go to default for the chance to get a point. Only time it definitely would not happen like this is if the two clans were fighting for the same place (e.g. both going for title)

Don't think that would create a fairness when in some cases a sub will be used, and others it would be avoided

But it is an option. Sure if you want to give away up to 15 points to the opposition then you still could obviously.

But on the other hand if you had the opportunity to put a replacement in, but the other team refused to play them and it went to default, then it is something that could be used to justify not simply awarding them all the remaining unplayed racks.



Certainly not if they could score.

Edited at 14:20 Thu 19/01/12 (GMT)

I would just like to say i really am gutted to see the way some people been treated like sarah dex and ryan all great people and as the person who brought sarah into the clan world i can say she is the nicest caring fariest person on here.

Why cant we just be nice please.

Old saying nothing nice to say dont say it.

And people move on from Funkypool, and have lives outside of it.

*They don't know what they're missing. *

Kenny don't take this the wrong way but would prefer if that issue or what ever you want to call it is not spoken about on here, it would possibly lead to more arguing something none of us really want and getting tired of it. I have already spoken to Sarah though i won't say what was said but we have been talking about next season and hopefully she does stay to be a part of the league as i am proud to have her as a league runner.

Hey sorry thought i could have say and why single me out pfft lol

Nevermind

Just play nice for a change everyone

Can't you see me saying don't take it the wrong way? jesus christ.