no but the league should be won on points earnt through play not awarding points needlessly for unplayed frames in defaults... deduct points from those who dont play and stop awarding frames/points to people who didnt even play regardless of whose fault it is

This will cause more arguments than we have now

could do defaults like present but add the ability to award negative points to those who don't deserve it, nothing major maybe up to -5.

this is way i would do it if that was added.

Player A has been online throughout 2 weeks, sent messages asked for subs
Player B hasn't been online throughout 2 weeks, refused subs

Player A

Activity - Yes
Messages - Yes
Effort - Yes
Posted on Opposition Clan Thread - Yes

= Maximum Points

Player B

Activity - No
Messages - No
Effort - No
Posted on Opposition Clan Thread - No

= Negative Points

Player C

Activity - Yes
Messages - No
Effort - No
Posted on Opposition Clan Thread - No

= Maybe 5 Points

Player D

Activity - Yes
Messages - Yes
Effort - Yes
Posted on Opposition Clan Thread - No

= Maybe 10-12 Points

so

Player A 15 ... -5 Player B
Player C 5 ... 10 Player D

^^ ALL EXAMPLES

so i did each case individually instead of making sure it equals or less than "15"


catch my drift?

how?

play the game = get the points
dont play = dont get points
refuse to play/no attempt made to play = - 5 points

decisions based on providing proof of contact to 1 nominated league runner.

No need for a defaults panel... last couple of days should prove how much hassle that is... "biased" panel members

So I start a brand new clan with 16 of the best funkypoolers ever to grace the game - yes even better than MVP

Trouble is everyone is scared to play us and avoids playing us all season. We end up scoring zero points from a season of say 10 fixtures and bottom of the league?

Extreme - but to make a point.

Is this not the same as we do currently apart from extending to -5 for no effort?

if other clans dont play then they are gaining 0 points or - 5 for each refused game... why would you do that ?

exactly as what 1st line states:

"could do defaults like present but add the ability to award negative points to those who don't deserve it, nothing major maybe up to -5."

"so i did each case individually instead of making sure it equals or less than "15""

and Jays idea about 1 member from each team (if its obvious they are biased then remove their prediction), i think it could work.

Just join MVP Save yourself the trouble!!!

But yes this is exactly what could happen MVP has had 4 or 5 instances this season where players start and leave or go play tourneys. If players had the option not to play they would be better taken the -5 points instead of the 13-2 or 14-1 defeat.

Because they take my clan out of the competition. They all play against everyone else.

How about default panel members use there brains?

Clear up the rules, bonuses etc. Then, and only then there will be less "arguments".

maybe less chris but they wouldn't be gone completely anyways its up to Jay what happens next season

jay actually liked my idea... but i guess now royalty (mvp) has argued their case, my idea will be thrown out the window

just wanted focus taken away from winning by default and making clans work for their points

default panel doesnt work IMO

nice comment from a future league runner, tut tut

With respect Jem, it works better than that idea.... And, your majesty would do you any harm.

probably this idea will get knocked back but how about get rid of 'Win Bonus' and instead reward clans for each game played (maybe extra 2 points per game so would equal 16 points), unplayed and depending on effort you can get from -2 to 2 points?

and by doing that you will increase the number of games played. Because without work a) you dont get games played and b) they wont score in default unlike now.

So in that respect you are right.

my goal exactly... if they dont score through not playing, they might actually make more effort to play... but im done arguing my case now... its over to Jay

Lol i am in MVP as well and a league runner next season, if this is what other league runners think of having another MVP on league staff not sure what the rest of the members are going to think

How about, not give 2 unactive players 7-7 results...... That would cause less arguments.

But Win bonus is a good idea, 8-7 is sometimes too close, you want to feel like you've won, so 10-7 (8(+2)-7) may be a better way to go!