You do realise they are team games where the whole team plays one match together keith and nothing like this?
For someone who is so holier than thou you resort to stupid babyish little digs when your arguments fail on a regular basis.

20 players in a clan pfftttttttttttttttttttttttt

what is going on here think ppl need to get a grip

i said if for a joke,,,,,, we will stick at 15 maybe even 12

20 people how do u keep 20 people happy in FCL i havent heard anything so silly and its getting worse by the min

my oppinion

Someone is going to end up having a heart attack, hope everyone is okay!

i hadnt realised there was so much wrong with FCL call me old fashioned but i like it the way it is

why so many potential changes

got to agree 20 players who said that it would be silly

i said it was like it says kenny

Completion bonuses were a mistake and never had any place in a league. They do not fit in at all and will rightly be dropped. That takes the format back to how it was between about season 5 and 11 ish (?) which was the best it has been - format and rules wise.

However having been one of two that brought in most of that format (15 games 5 of each, win bonuses, increased default panel, default panel forum, quarantines, fixture match-ups, transfer set rules) I think I am entitled to air anything that I think has the potential to improve things further. I wouldn't waste anyone's time posting the if I didn't think they did. Jay and the other runners are clever enough to form their own views and go with whatever they want the same as we did before.

but why such a major overall

The transfer rule has changed to one you like Craig and the only other change so far is one extra person possible per clan. No major overhaul.

if it aint broken dont fix it!!!!!!!!!!!

i dont see what was tht wrong with this season or last with a couple of tweaks

20 players for an 8 match league good thinking,,
i guess if a team sign the best 20 players why not go the whole hog and say 40 and have 2 teams red v blue or whatever

FBL is a seperate league in its own right to and well worthy of winning its not a substitue or a learning league for FCL

Nope the transfer rule has changed from one he likes to one he doesn't.
Clan sizes have been increased despite everyone being totally against it.
Match completion bonus has been stupidly scrapped.
You're on about 9 games per match in the cup instead of 15
You're on about teams starting in the first division who haven't been promoted or earnt it.

For the lot who want no match completion bonus and 20 points for a win can you not see you are making so many scenarios where it will be better for clans to let their last game go to default?

Double Post - see below

Edited at 20:26 Wed 04/01/12 (GMT)

Craig its not changing to 20, its changed to 16 as a compromise, which is fair.

I remember the changes last season lol

change the bonus points to 10 and 10 was ipotalots idea - got passed

change the transfers back to none in a season was doubted2's idea - got passed

Sorry guys but are no one elses ideas allowed to be passed or does everyone need to run them past you first, seems to me that everything thats suggested is knocked back by you two, sorry but the league is here for all of us and you can't keep everyone happy when it comes to changes, and believe it or not that includes you two.

Well he posted he liked it



Thought we bottomed that one out yesterday - plus it never did before. Besides with any default you should never be in the position of being behind in a default decision - good captaining prevents that surely. And likewise good captaincy deserves reward. More than having been a good captain but suddenly being forced into a poor substitution you dont really want to make simply to chase a 10 point gift for nothing more than playing.

As for the others they are simply ideas and suggestions as per this thread title. Jay has already said some definitely wont come in and that is fine.

Got passed last season and are being changed back for no reason, there hasn't been any problems with either and we've had good close well fought leagues....better change that hadn't we alan

Only browsed the last 15 pages, so someone might have mentioned this.

About the 20 points bonus suggestion or even the 3 points for a win suggestion. There have been a number of sets where the tie was won already with 1,2, or even 3 fixtures left to be played. These would lose all meaning and become fairly unnecessary, leading either to defaults or players just becoming disinterested.

I like the current system (although I would prefer no bonus points at all). All games matter, regardless of the overall score in the tie.

About the increase to 16 players. I can't believe people are still complaining about it. It was done, it won't kill your clans. Let's move on.

This league could be run so much smoother if the discussion thread was capped like a while ago. Like ab said a while back, this is an event you sign up too. You don't have to play if you don't like it! Just like any other event on this site, you don't just get to make your own rules if you join it. The fact that a discussion thread exists is already a major concession.

16 team idea is great, if in just FCL, you can just swap 8 players in n out of each fixture..

Totally agree with the part in bold

Compromise suggests that there were a lot of people wanting an increase there wasn't, just you and horse with everyone posting against it even the 2 league runners but that's all that's needed really isn't it...wouldn't want to upset the captain would we.