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19:40 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
have a kitkat
Take a break haha i think i should. Need to finish this updating though before i forget and no one gets there league games on time
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bluenose1872 said:
Any further discussions that have been popped up need talking about? If so i'll have a gander soon, doing these fixture updates and so on for the last set.
have a kitkat
Take a break haha i think i should. Need to finish this updating though before i forget and no one gets there league games on time
19:43 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
Me and horse were part of that Vikings team, we were lucky we had reliable players and a good capt and vice (chris and jooodles) running the clan.
I didn't like the idea of 20 that was suggested but I think 16 is a good compromise, people keep going on about too many players and some wont get games, its not quite like that now with there being 2 clan leagues, most clans play in both with the same set of players and 16 players could mean each player could play one in each league and theres also cups in both, someone mentioned about playing your best players all the time, why have players in your clan if your not going to use them ?, and finally, no ones forcing any captain to have 16, thats just a maximum figure.
I didn't like the idea of 20 that was suggested but I think 16 is a good compromise, people keep going on about too many players and some wont get games, its not quite like that now with there being 2 clan leagues, most clans play in both with the same set of players and 16 players could mean each player could play one in each league and theres also cups in both, someone mentioned about playing your best players all the time, why have players in your clan if your not going to use them ?, and finally, no ones forcing any captain to have 16, thats just a maximum figure.
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19:44 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
diamond_jem said:
I was voting no against the increase to 20, having spoken to Jay in PM we agreed that 16 was fine... it's all about negotiation and compromise
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even if every clan from div 1 took an additional 1-2 players thats 6-12 players less for new clans. i am sure that the bigger clans would be sniffing around other clans like mine to get these players
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19:49 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
FBL games take up 15 minutes a fortnight people want 2 FCL and 2 FBL and has everyone has said this rule only benefits the biggest clubs and hinders those trying to catch them.
15 is more than enough to get every game played, no defaults and have players like me nagging the captain all season cos i'm bored cos i've played my games in a day.
Clans were only increased to 15 a couple of seasons ago sure next season you will be after another couple to take it up to 18 then might as well make it 20 the season after...nice round number.
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Me and horse were part of that Vikings team, we were lucky we had reliable players and a good capt and vice (chris and jooodles) running the clan.
I didn't like the idea of 20 that was suggested but I think 16 is a good compromise, people keep going on about too many players and some wont get games, its not quite like that now with there being 2 clan leagues, most clans play in both with the same set of players and 16 players could mean each player could play one in each league and theres also cups in both, someone mentioned about playing your best players all the time, why have players in your clan if your not going to use them ?, and finally, no ones forcing any captain to have 16, thats just a maximum figure.
I didn't like the idea of 20 that was suggested but I think 16 is a good compromise, people keep going on about too many players and some wont get games, its not quite like that now with there being 2 clan leagues, most clans play in both with the same set of players and 16 players could mean each player could play one in each league and theres also cups in both, someone mentioned about playing your best players all the time, why have players in your clan if your not going to use them ?, and finally, no ones forcing any captain to have 16, thats just a maximum figure.
FBL games take up 15 minutes a fortnight people want 2 FCL and 2 FBL and has everyone has said this rule only benefits the biggest clubs and hinders those trying to catch them.
15 is more than enough to get every game played, no defaults and have players like me nagging the captain all season cos i'm bored cos i've played my games in a day.
Clans were only increased to 15 a couple of seasons ago sure next season you will be after another couple to take it up to 18 then might as well make it 20 the season after...nice round number.
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19:53 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
And that is also a great reason why you have a 20 point win bonus. You can play 'lesser' players in games because your sole aim is simply to win each individual clan v clan fixture and not to gain the maximum possible points score from every single game. Win every clan v clan fixture and you should invariably win the league with the bonuses.
Thats one reason why football teams can try and rotate squad members. Because every league game is worth the same three points, whether you are playing the top of the league or the bottom of the league. Its not necessary to put your best team out to try and beat the bottom side 10-0.
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someone mentioned about playing your best players all the time, why have players in your clan if your not going to use them ?
And that is also a great reason why you have a 20 point win bonus. You can play 'lesser' players in games because your sole aim is simply to win each individual clan v clan fixture and not to gain the maximum possible points score from every single game. Win every clan v clan fixture and you should invariably win the league with the bonuses.
Thats one reason why football teams can try and rotate squad members. Because every league game is worth the same three points, whether you are playing the top of the league or the bottom of the league. Its not necessary to put your best team out to try and beat the bottom side 10-0.
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19:55 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
A 20 point win bonus means is too much if you win a game by 1 point you shouldn't end up 21 points ahead in the league it's too much 10 is fine.
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19:59 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
OK you just ignore the reasoning and the bigger picture - no worries
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20:06 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
Not ignoring the bigger picture at all chris we have 15 players and everyone gets a game every fixture.
Captains shouldn't have players in their squads that they aren't confident in if their only priority is winning.
We all like to do well but it's not the only thing that matters to most clans.
Captains shouldn't have players in their squads that they aren't confident in if their only priority is winning.
We all like to do well but it's not the only thing that matters to most clans.
20:09 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
That is a good discussion to bring up though.
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Personally i agree with Lee i think 10 points is perfectly fine, 20 points is to high thats the reason it was brought down in the first place.
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Personally i agree with Lee i think 10 points is perfectly fine, 20 points is to high thats the reason it was brought down in the first place.
20:17 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
20 - more incentive to win games but not decided on the tables.
10 - points are decided on the table as bonus points is less than the frames played but not as much incentive to win games.
my personal opinion is 75-25 to keep it as 10 the league would be closer
10 - points are decided on the table as bonus points is less than the frames played but not as much incentive to win games.
my personal opinion is 75-25 to keep it as 10 the league would be closer
20:34 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
And that is also a great reason why you have a 20 point win bonus. You can play 'lesser' players in games because your sole aim is simply to win each individual clan v clan fixture and not to gain the maximum possible points score from every single game. Win every clan v clan fixture and you should invariably win the league with the bonuses.
Thats one reason why football teams can try and rotate squad members. Because every league game is worth the same three points, whether you are playing the top of the league or the bottom of the league. Its not necessary to put your best team out to try and beat the bottom side 10-0.
This is why it was put to 20 it meant if you won all your games you would win the league.
If you set it at 10 it encourages clans to go for max points in all games as they may be a factor at the end of the season.
20 points for a win means you get a greater boost for getting the win in the game and you can fully rotate your team as frame points don't matter so much.
With 10 points for a win Clan A beats Clan B twice in the same season and wins all its other games. Does Clan A deserve to win the league? With 10 points for a win it is only 20 points for Clan B to win its fixtures by and they still could win the league, if you make it 20 points the chances of them getting 40 is very small at 20 it would be quite high.
20 points was set way back after MVP beat all teams in the league but didn't win the league as UT had beaten the rest by more. It was set at 20 so it would hopefully prevent this scenario ever happening again. By making it 10 points for a win the risk of a team winning all games but not winning the league is increased.
Another way to get round this problem is make it like a league and if you win a fixture you get 2 points and if you draw you get one. Frames would only come into play if two teams were tied on the same points tally.
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ab_rfc said:
someone mentioned about playing your best players all the time, why have players in your clan if your not going to use them ?
And that is also a great reason why you have a 20 point win bonus. You can play 'lesser' players in games because your sole aim is simply to win each individual clan v clan fixture and not to gain the maximum possible points score from every single game. Win every clan v clan fixture and you should invariably win the league with the bonuses.
Thats one reason why football teams can try and rotate squad members. Because every league game is worth the same three points, whether you are playing the top of the league or the bottom of the league. Its not necessary to put your best team out to try and beat the bottom side 10-0.
This is why it was put to 20 it meant if you won all your games you would win the league.
If you set it at 10 it encourages clans to go for max points in all games as they may be a factor at the end of the season.
20 points for a win means you get a greater boost for getting the win in the game and you can fully rotate your team as frame points don't matter so much.
With 10 points for a win Clan A beats Clan B twice in the same season and wins all its other games. Does Clan A deserve to win the league? With 10 points for a win it is only 20 points for Clan B to win its fixtures by and they still could win the league, if you make it 20 points the chances of them getting 40 is very small at 20 it would be quite high.
20 points was set way back after MVP beat all teams in the league but didn't win the league as UT had beaten the rest by more. It was set at 20 so it would hopefully prevent this scenario ever happening again. By making it 10 points for a win the risk of a team winning all games but not winning the league is increased.
Another way to get round this problem is make it like a league and if you win a fixture you get 2 points and if you draw you get one. Frames would only come into play if two teams were tied on the same points tally.
20:39 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
Individuals
Sorry dgen with regard to your suggestion, i don't want straight or the choice to play my preferred type. If you want to do mini leagues etc do them in a champions league format with short game types and no straight.
Chris has offered to run a true individual knockout tournament that would get my vote every time as it freshens up the individuals big time which is badly needed.
Why should individuals not be one big knockout tournament i think if it is a short format so anyone could beat anyone it could be a lot of fun.
Sorry dgen with regard to your suggestion, i don't want straight or the choice to play my preferred type. If you want to do mini leagues etc do them in a champions league format with short game types and no straight.
Chris has offered to run a true individual knockout tournament that would get my vote every time as it freshens up the individuals big time which is badly needed.
Why should individuals not be one big knockout tournament i think if it is a short format so anyone could beat anyone it could be a lot of fun.
20:48 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
example:
i post saying "i do not wish to play" but i entered anyway and its either play or my reputation gets hurt i just think individuals should be different than the league it gets boring if its the same format all the time.
e.g. League - 5 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
Cup - 3/5 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
Individuals - 3 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
also just because you don't want Straight doesn't mean people like the_diamond, tinie, eemad, dvz etc wouldn't i just think people should have the choice of what type they want to play (like FBL) than being forced to play the same 3 all the time.
see my point?
i post saying "i do not wish to play" but i entered anyway and its either play or my reputation gets hurt i just think individuals should be different than the league it gets boring if its the same format all the time.
e.g. League - 5 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
Cup - 3/5 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
Individuals - 3 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
also just because you don't want Straight doesn't mean people like the_diamond, tinie, eemad, dvz etc wouldn't i just think people should have the choice of what type they want to play (like FBL) than being forced to play the same 3 all the time.
see my point?
20:49 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
No it was tweaked that you had to earn 10 by playing games and 10 for winning. Now we are not earning 10 for playing games why should it not go back to 20 and prevent another MVP / UT scenario which was a farce at the time.
Example: Next season snooker squad beat MVP twice in div 1, yet MVP win all other games by huge margins meaning we win the league on frame points. Please do not expect MVP to be crowned as Div 1 champions saying we deserve it as this is the format/rules we don't and i would fight for Snooker Squad to be rightfully named as winners. (Any team please feel free to bring this up!!) It would be different if we both had beaten each other once and then we had to use frames to separate us.
By making it 20 points you hopefully prevent the scenario above ever happening again.... hopefully (Still is a small chance) At 10 i don't want to be the one posting here saying i told you so.
Or use the old league format of 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw as posted previously and do away with win bonuses all together and frames are only used to separate teams on the same points.
bluenose1872 said:
That is a good discussion to bring up though.
Match Bonus:
Personally i agree with Lee i think 10 points is perfectly fine, 20 points is to high thats the reason it was brought down in the first place.
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Personally i agree with Lee i think 10 points is perfectly fine, 20 points is to high thats the reason it was brought down in the first place.
No it was tweaked that you had to earn 10 by playing games and 10 for winning. Now we are not earning 10 for playing games why should it not go back to 20 and prevent another MVP / UT scenario which was a farce at the time.
Example: Next season snooker squad beat MVP twice in div 1, yet MVP win all other games by huge margins meaning we win the league on frame points. Please do not expect MVP to be crowned as Div 1 champions saying we deserve it as this is the format/rules we don't and i would fight for Snooker Squad to be rightfully named as winners. (Any team please feel free to bring this up!!) It would be different if we both had beaten each other once and then we had to use frames to separate us.
By making it 20 points you hopefully prevent the scenario above ever happening again.... hopefully (Still is a small chance) At 10 i don't want to be the one posting here saying i told you so.
Or use the old league format of 2 points for a win, 1 for a draw as posted previously and do away with win bonuses all together and frames are only used to separate teams on the same points.
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20:50 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
But thats what the FCL stands for, its an all-rounders league, you have to be decent at everything to stand a chance at winning, some have strengths some have weaknesses.
Im bad at em all
Im bad at em all
20:50 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
there is nothing wrong with individuals in the formatt it is
the reason games dont get played is because with no fixtures players play at will and then when someone gets enough points and cant be caught all intrest is lost with fixtures it should keep the interest
just my thoughts
the reason games dont get played is because with no fixtures players play at will and then when someone gets enough points and cant be caught all intrest is lost with fixtures it should keep the interest
just my thoughts
20:53 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
exactly thats why i tweaked it to a tournament format, keeps interest going.
sure spoonie but individual league has always been about playing in a single game mode what you like and not a mixture.
but if people like chris's idea then ill let him run it so less work for me to do
sure spoonie but individual league has always been about playing in a single game mode what you like and not a mixture.
but if people like chris's idea then ill let him run it so less work for me to do
20:54 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
No, straight is not in League or Cup. Was added in individuals purely for the players listed. In the individuals for the FCL it should be FCL game types only.
I would be more than happy with 3 of each as per your post but i would also prefer one big knock out tourney so it was something different. As proven for the last few seasons the individuals drops off after the first couple of weeks. With knockout it would retain interest the more weeks that passed as numbers reduced and players got to quarters/semi and final etc.
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example:
i post saying "i do not wish to play" but i entered anyway and its either play or my reputation gets hurt i just think individuals should be different than the league it gets boring if its the same format all the time.
e.g. League - 5 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
Cup - 3/5 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
Individuals - 3 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
also just because you don't want Straight doesn't mean people like the_diamond, tinie, eemad, dvz etc wouldn't i just think people should have the choice of what type they want to play (like FBL) than being forced to play the same 3 all the time.
see my point?
i post saying "i do not wish to play" but i entered anyway and its either play or my reputation gets hurt i just think individuals should be different than the league it gets boring if its the same format all the time.
e.g. League - 5 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
Cup - 3/5 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
Individuals - 3 frames of US, UK, 9 Ball
also just because you don't want Straight doesn't mean people like the_diamond, tinie, eemad, dvz etc wouldn't i just think people should have the choice of what type they want to play (like FBL) than being forced to play the same 3 all the time.
see my point?
No, straight is not in League or Cup. Was added in individuals purely for the players listed. In the individuals for the FCL it should be FCL game types only.
I would be more than happy with 3 of each as per your post but i would also prefer one big knock out tourney so it was something different. As proven for the last few seasons the individuals drops off after the first couple of weeks. With knockout it would retain interest the more weeks that passed as numbers reduced and players got to quarters/semi and final etc.
20:56 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
speaking of individuals horse do you know how current scoring works, i checked the rules but didn't help me out as techno has school this month and im not prepared to update until i know how it works.
20:57 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
How many fixtures have been unplayed this season, absolute loads.
I am in US8 and if i bothered and played some games i could win it, I am not bothering as i have lost interest as it is more hassle than its worth. If changed to a knockout i have only one game to arrange which is far easier.
doubted2 said:
there is nothing wrong with individuals in the formatt it is
the reason games dont get played is because with no fixtures players play at will and then when someone gets enough points and cant be caught all intrest is lost with fixtures it should keep the interest
just my thoughts
the reason games dont get played is because with no fixtures players play at will and then when someone gets enough points and cant be caught all intrest is lost with fixtures it should keep the interest
just my thoughts
How many fixtures have been unplayed this season, absolute loads.
I am in US8 and if i bothered and played some games i could win it, I am not bothering as i have lost interest as it is more hassle than its worth. If changed to a knockout i have only one game to arrange which is far easier.
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