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22:10 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
diamond_jem said:
ipotalot said:
If you don't like it then why don't you quit the league eh


Because I am not selfish and do not expect the league to accommodate everything I want... there needs to be a happy medium and unfortunately that means I do not get everything I want - I am mainly in this to help out Jay so I respect everything he decides


Right well i'm not going out with Jay so i'm allowed a different opinion than him.
Don't call me selfish it's pathetic i'm arguing for what I see as best for the league not myself.
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22:10 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
it simple as this if you don't like the rules the runners give out don't go in it

am happy with any rules that make things easier for the runners
also i like them simple so every one can understand them less argument for every one to deal with
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22:11 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
horse10000 said:
Agree with your replies Chris but the whole point is we want to get away from contracts and just allow people to play and if that means any player can move once it is the same for all


Agree wholeheartedly. What examples have there been that that wouldnt happen definitely? None this season I think and a couple of issues with Shooter players last season? Would doubted2 have allowed those players to go to different teams than the ones they wanted to - maybe in a different division for example? If so they could have played the remaining games in the season there and then joined their number one choice.

I still think the scenario he quoted is a valid one in terms of maintaining league integrity. Ultimately without the integrity of the league what is the point in any of us playing?
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22:13 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Me going out with Jay has nothing to do with it, i was waiting for this "argument", I already said, Jay has overturned some of my ideas, we do not share a brain you know, we do think differently. However he is head league runner and i have to respect what he decides.
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22:14 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
big_mouse said:
it simple as this if you don't like the rules the runners give out don't go in it

am happy with any rules that make things easier for the runners
also i like them simple so every one can understand them less argument for every one to deal with


If we had stuck to the league runners decision and not complained when something was wrong you wouldn't be in the league this season so stop throwing that rubbish aroind every 5 minutes rick.
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22:17 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
big_mouse said:
it simple as this if you don't like the rules the runners give out don't go in it

am happy with any rules that make things easier for the runners
also i like them simple so every one can understand them less argument for every one to deal with


If we had stuck to the league runners decision and not complained when something was wrong you wouldn't be in the league this season so stop throwing that rubbish aroind every 5 minutes rick.


you the only ones that moan cause your scared of losing players that the truth of the matter get over with it
it was put the poll so deal with it m8
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22:18 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
diamond_jem said:
Me going out with Jay has nothing to do with it, i was waiting for this "argument", I already said, Jay has overturned some of my ideas, we do not share a brain you know, we do think differently. However he is head league runner and i have to respect what he decides.


If he makes a decision that you feel strongly will have a negative affect on the league(like I think scrapping the match completion bonus will) then you should point it out...nothing to do with respect he is just human like the rest of us and doesn't spot everything.
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22:19 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
chris said:
horse10000 said:
Agree with your replies Chris but the whole point is we want to get away from contracts and just allow people to play and if that means any player can move once it is the same for all


Agree wholeheartedly. What examples have there been that that wouldnt happen definitely? None this season I think and a couple of issues with Shooter players last season? Would doubted2 have allowed those players to go to different teams than the ones they wanted to - maybe in a different division for example? If so they could have played the remaining games in the season there and then joined their number one choice.

I still think the scenario he quoted is a valid one in terms of maintaining league integrity. Ultimately without the integrity of the league what is the point in any of us playing?


I think stopping players who move playing for 2 fixtures which is a month of any season, plus they would be with a clan for one fixture set you are already saying it is fixture set 4 at the earliest that any player could play for someone else. And even after then you could not play against your old team so you would probably miss at least 1 other game after that. This would hopefully make the amount of moving to a minimum but it allows players the right to change if they really want to which i think would maintain the integrity of the league.

In my opinion as a captain if you do what craig suggested and stopped players moving just because you didn't want them to, i think that brings in the integrity of the league down more as we are speaking about an online pool game not the champions league

If we wanted to make it so that it is only so players could move to get away to another clan as they were not happy, i think a 1 fixture quarentine and then only being allowed to move to div 2 if you are div 1 player and vice versa would work brilliant and would 100% maintain the integrity of the league.
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22:20 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
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Lee, no ones stopping you giving an opinion but don't go insulting people when they don't listen.


I said it was stupid scrapping the no defaults rule which it is, i said it will lead to more defaults which it will.
You got personal saying i'm just disagreeing for the sake of it...total rubbish so listen to your own advice and allow people to give opinions on subjects that differ from yours.

Show me where I said your disagreeing for the sake of it.

I gave up a while back giving opinions on the rules, just get called idiots if its not what you want to hear.
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22:20 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
big_mouse said:
ipotalot said:
big_mouse said:
it simple as this if you don't like the rules the runners give out don't go in it

am happy with any rules that make things easier for the runners
also i like them simple so every one can understand them less argument for every one to deal with


If we had stuck to the league runners decision and not complained when something was wrong you wouldn't be in the league this season so stop throwing that rubbish aroind every 5 minutes rick.


you the only ones that moan cause your scared of losing players that the truth of the matter get over with it
it was put the poll so deal with it m8


We're not talking about transfers rick and coming from the man who refused to release a player very recently himself your opinions are quite funny.
We release people and get them replaced with better...not about us it's about the league.
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22:21 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
ab_rfc said:
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completion bonus is gone mate, too much hassle (next season), but one thing we are lacking in the defaults department is what jan used which is a activity tracker, when we had that defaults was so easy to predict but nowadays its purely guesswork (turned out quite well but not really security) but at the same time jan used an electronic website which means for the activity tracker to work you would need these things.

- Linux
- Good Internet Connection
- Leave Computer on 24/7

I did ask jan a while ago if he could set this up for us and said yes long as there is a volunteer but at the same time after the last few seasons can we trust this person not to leave when things don't go their way? etc


Stupid decision that will lead to more defaults


99% of decisions the league runners make you call stupid, do me a favour and come up with a full set of FCL rules how you think they should be and we'll all have our opinions.


That is saying i'm disagreeing for the sake of it alan
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22:22 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Lee, i do not give in easily and Jay will tell you that, I will argue my case until the cows come home, but if he doesnt like my opinion, there is nothing i can do about it as he makes the final decisions
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22:25 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
You're saying I should just accept jay's decision or get out of the league jem i'm saying people have to speak up for what they think is right for the league that's all.
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22:25 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
I agree mostly with horse10000, not entirely keen on div 1 players only moving to div 2 and vice versa but i can live with it.
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22:26 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
ab_rfc said:
ipotalot said:
dgeneratio said:
completion bonus is gone mate, too much hassle (next season), but one thing we are lacking in the defaults department is what jan used which is a activity tracker, when we had that defaults was so easy to predict but nowadays its purely guesswork (turned out quite well but not really security) but at the same time jan used an electronic website which means for the activity tracker to work you would need these things.

- Linux
- Good Internet Connection
- Leave Computer on 24/7

I did ask jan a while ago if he could set this up for us and said yes long as there is a volunteer but at the same time after the last few seasons can we trust this person not to leave when things don't go their way? etc


Stupid decision that will lead to more defaults


99% of decisions the league runners make you call stupid, do me a favour and come up with a full set of FCL rules how you think they should be and we'll all have our opinions.


That is saying i'm disagreeing for the sake of it alan


No, thats saying you disagree with 99% and thats up to you, doesn't say your just disagreeing for the sake of it.
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22:27 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
big_mouse said:
ipotalot said:
big_mouse said:
it simple as this if you don't like the rules the runners give out don't go in it

am happy with any rules that make things easier for the runners
also i like them simple so every one can understand them less argument for every one to deal with


If we had stuck to the league runners decision and not complained when something was wrong you wouldn't be in the league this season so stop throwing that rubbish aroind every 5 minutes rick.


you the only ones that moan cause your scared of losing players that the truth of the matter get over with it
it was put the poll so deal with it m8


We're not talking about transfers rick and coming from the man who refused to release a player very recently himself your opinions are quite funny.
We release people and get them replaced with better...not about us it's about the league.


right mate i get back to on that with be honest about it
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22:28 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
It's what it means alan
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22:28 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
You're saying I should just accept jay's decision or get out of the league jem i'm saying people have to speak up for what they think is right for the league that's all.


but it is jay who decides what happens... have your opinion but what you say isnt necessarily going to be what happens. I am just simply saying if you disagree with how jay is doing things so much then you are free to leave the league whenever you want.
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22:37 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
It's what it means alan


Not at all, I think I know what I meant. to disagree just for the sake of it is being argumentative, I meant you disagree with 99% because you believe your right.

Feel free to disagree with me if you think your right
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22:38 Tue 3 Jan 12 (GMT)  [Link]  
Rick check all my signings when I was vice made 10-15 in a time when we could get players released quite easily.
I put in the effort and signed players that were free agents because that's what I agree with.
Only players I ever approached in teams were when they were arguing with their team and that was just a message to say 'if it doesn't work out you can play for us.'
I argued for the transfer rule to stay the same because there are so many arguments caused by captains trying to persuade players to leave mid-season and we haven't had any of that this season...only reason.
I'm arguing for the bonus points for match completion to stay now because I feel it will absolutely ruin the league by scrapping them as it will make it better in a lot of cases for clans to let games go to default than play them.
No other motives than that.
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