MVP went unbeaten and beat Untouchables twice in season 5 yet lost the league by 6 points to Unbeatables lol, this is the reason the win bonus was introduced.

anyway read the last 5 pages or so phew.

i think it should be the person who gets banned not the clan, example on snooker we have a person who doesn't play many clan games but had lots of defaults the previous 2 seasons.

question, why should the team suffer when its clearly that single player whos at fault.

i think if the player has had 5 defaults 10-5 or worse then they should be suspended for a full season.

2 players currently are on 1 lost default each and will miss the final set if it happens this fixture as they would be fixture banned.

so basically.

Lost defaults (10-5 or worse, lost defaults are reset after each season UNLESS they had a season suspension the previous season)

2 lost defaults = fixture suspension
5 lost defaults = season suspension
10 lost defaults (2 seasons) = lifetime ban

if it happens once they return (say 5 lost defaults again) and clearly at fault then should be a full time ban

all warnings, banning and suspensions all carry on throughout new usernames.

thats my idea anyway.

Edited at 12:40 Thu 29/12/11 (GMT)

Mich that makes no sense man haha Rangers would win the league by the points they win if they went unbeaten. It would be over on the points taken from the games they won you doofus haha

if i recall thats the reason bonuses was invented.

defaults are not always just the players fault, you need to look at why the captain let it go to default, why were subs not used ?

Scrap the completion bonus and put the win bonus back up to 20 points.

One player from each clan on default team, div 1 to do div 2 defaults and vice versa.

could be runners discretion maybe if they appear on the list?

The above post is what I was getting to Jay, I said how would you like Rangers to go unbeaten and beat Celtic twice but lose out on the league because Celtic scored more goals.

This is what could be happening here now.

Dgen I disagree, if a team can't clearly see one of their players is often getting defaults at ridiculous scores then they are at fault for failure to control their players. Even if it isn't the captain but a member saying "Eh Seb why are you playing Dgen he is never on and always gets an 11-4 default against him"(that's an example btw) Then Seb would change this, captains would have time to make a sub, so they are failing to make the change.

If I had someone who was never online in my clan I wouldn;t play them, would probably kick them out tbh. May be just me.

If a clan beats every team in the league and wins all fixtures should they win the league?

Think everyone would agree the answer is yes, but before win bonuses were introduced this happened and team didn't win the league.

good idea, on snooker we don't have a win bonus but a match completion bonus and its 10 over there but we only play 6 frames so the bonus is very important, on pool you play to 15 frames and its 10 for both so unless you win and get no defaults then its playing ability what decides it.

Next time use a better example, one which is actually possible mate haha

ok how about ermmmmm tinie and alexander?

If tinie and Alexander weren't on and playing I would kick them out and get someone who could play, but let them know they always have a spot if they just ask. I done this with a few people at Ut and it worked alright.

Clan captains should be responsible to ensure games get played and don't go to default. I think clan should be punished for defaults going against them and also captain should be disallowed from running a clan if their are too many defaults against them.

Exactly my point, if you are a captain and fail to control your players and get the games played or make a sub, then you are not a very good captain.

With my idea about the 10 games at 10-5 or worse it would be very rare for a clan to get kicked out because of that, but if they did you would have to agree as a whole the team deserved it.

Totally agree done this plenty of times with MVP as well, their is no point in having players in your clan who are not online to play, a simple message asking them to advise you when they are going to be back on more often to play and then get active players in their place.

Agree but i would make it 5 as there is no reason to get 5 defaults against of that size.

true but wouldn't they just go to another clan because they are "free agents", if that did happen id prevent the captain and the players who was involved in those defaults from moving until end of that season.

also if that doesn't work, ban the captain from captaining a clan for a season basically same as a "Posting Revoke" in the forums.

go back to the way we use have it 20 bonus points with no defaults 10 bonus points if you have defaults and still win the fixture on defaults and if a draw 10 bonus each it simple for every one to understand as well

Exactly what i was going to say to mate.