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20:53 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
Thats from someone on the FCL default panel.
Your right about that one result tho, was an easy decision to make and a fair one.
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I have read through the fbl discussion thread this morning, and feel that as an fbl league runner, and a member of the fcl default team, the matter needs to be discussed and resolved in both fbl and fcl, as it is in the interest of both leagues. It does state in the rules :
8.9.8 Number of panel inputs
No default should ever be decided without input from at least two people from the default panel, in order to keep things as fair as possible and ensure no aspects are missed. Panel members cannot judge games involving their own clan.
I am not accusing anyone of being biased, but this rule has obviously been broken on more than one occasion.
There are 9 default staff on fcl , 5 on fbl, so there is no need for a staff member of the team that is involved in the default to post predictions about the default game.
Maybe, a resolution to this problem would be for default staff/runners judge the default games that are not in their own division , though they could comment on the games if they wished, they are not permitted to give a prediction. This should then solve the problem of any person being accused of being biased, and having the same situation as we do at the moment.
8.9.8 Number of panel inputs
No default should ever be decided without input from at least two people from the default panel, in order to keep things as fair as possible and ensure no aspects are missed. Panel members cannot judge games involving their own clan.
I am not accusing anyone of being biased, but this rule has obviously been broken on more than one occasion.
There are 9 default staff on fcl , 5 on fbl, so there is no need for a staff member of the team that is involved in the default to post predictions about the default game.
Maybe, a resolution to this problem would be for default staff/runners judge the default games that are not in their own division , though they could comment on the games if they wished, they are not permitted to give a prediction. This should then solve the problem of any person being accused of being biased, and having the same situation as we do at the moment.
Thats from someone on the FCL default panel.
Your right about that one result tho, was an easy decision to make and a fair one.
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20:54 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
I have a suggestion regarding players quiting half way through a match just conceding frames. The clan who the player conceded the frames should get 5 points deducted then players might stop conceding as this is unacceptable for a team game. If a team is being punished players might think twice about doing it and if they do get punished the clan then might get rid of the players costing them points. Then in the end there will be less players conceding frames, this is just my opinion like.
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20:59 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
My bad sarah, didnt know you voted through dgen
21:02 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
after some discussion the majority has decided that MVP will get their completion bonus added
21:25 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
If another clans player hadn't chosen to leave a game to play a tourney we would have completed our fixtures. The player involved then went into hiding for several days, i would have thought this was an easy one to decide if common sense gets applied. Concerns me from this post that we appear to only be getting the bonus points from what should have been an easy decision from a 'majority' vote rather than 'everyone' as if some members of the FCL staff voted no to this what else are they voting against, if we can't get the easy decisions right we are all in trouble.
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after some discussion the majority has decided that MVP will get their completion bonus added
If another clans player hadn't chosen to leave a game to play a tourney we would have completed our fixtures. The player involved then went into hiding for several days, i would have thought this was an easy one to decide if common sense gets applied. Concerns me from this post that we appear to only be getting the bonus points from what should have been an easy decision from a 'majority' vote rather than 'everyone' as if some members of the FCL staff voted no to this what else are they voting against, if we can't get the easy decisions right we are all in trouble.
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21:30 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
The final vote was 3 - 2
The argument against MVP was purely the fact that there was still an opportunity for the game to be played on the final day.. That it wasn't 100% skiller's fault.
However it was decided on 3 - 2, and in defence of the default panellists that voted no, there was a slight argument there and they are entitled to their opinion.
The argument against MVP was purely the fact that there was still an opportunity for the game to be played on the final day.. That it wasn't 100% skiller's fault.
However it was decided on 3 - 2, and in defence of the default panellists that voted no, there was a slight argument there and they are entitled to their opinion.
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21:35 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
What vote is this?
theukspoon said:
The final vote was 3 - 2
The argument against MVP was purely the fact that there was still an opportunity for the game to be played on the final day.. That it wasn't 100% skiller's fault.
However it was decided on 3 - 2, and in defence of the default panellists that voted no, there was a slight argument there and they are entitled to their opinion.
The argument against MVP was purely the fact that there was still an opportunity for the game to be played on the final day.. That it wasn't 100% skiller's fault.
However it was decided on 3 - 2, and in defence of the default panellists that voted no, there was a slight argument there and they are entitled to their opinion.
What vote is this?
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21:35 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
I voted no and I think why have bonus points if people who didn't play all the games still get bonus points, may not of been your fault but still didn't complete all your games so shouldn't receive bonus points. This is my opinion.
21:38 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
Thanks for that mate, if coming on for a couple of hours on the last night after being missing for days and refusing to finish to go and play a tourney after game has started is enough to say it could have been completed. There was a slight problem that our player was not available for that 2 hours yet had been available for nearly every other night from when he had left the game and also had been on and willing to complete it when it had started when again a tournament was more important. One league runner even posted that what happened was not the done thing.
Thanks for at least coming out and posting what happened though it is appreciated
theukspoon said:
The final vote was 3 - 2
The argument against MVP was purely the fact that there was still an opportunity for the game to be played on the final day.. That it wasn't 100% skiller's fault.
However it was decided on 3 - 2, and in defence of the default panellists that voted no, there was a slight argument there and they are entitled to their opinion.
The argument against MVP was purely the fact that there was still an opportunity for the game to be played on the final day.. That it wasn't 100% skiller's fault.
However it was decided on 3 - 2, and in defence of the default panellists that voted no, there was a slight argument there and they are entitled to their opinion.
Thanks for that mate, if coming on for a couple of hours on the last night after being missing for days and refusing to finish to go and play a tourney after game has started is enough to say it could have been completed. There was a slight problem that our player was not available for that 2 hours yet had been available for nearly every other night from when he had left the game and also had been on and willing to complete it when it had started when again a tournament was more important. One league runner even posted that what happened was not the done thing.
Thanks for at least coming out and posting what happened though it is appreciated
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21:42 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
the aim behind my post was to try to show both sides of the argument, not just the MVP one which is what you are obviously supporting as a MVP player.
21:42 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
I can see this argument but as discussed on clan thread for games where player deactivates or it is clearly shown that the reason for a game not being completed is down to a clan or a player from one of the 2 clans involved and that the other clan was not at fault for why game was not completed then the clan who were not at default would get bonus points. As a league runner surely you are meant to apply this rule rather than your own personal feelings?
liam__scfc said:
I voted no and I think why have bonus points if people who didn't play all the games still get bonus points, may not of been your fault but still didn't complete all your games so shouldn't receive bonus points. This is my opinion.
I can see this argument but as discussed on clan thread for games where player deactivates or it is clearly shown that the reason for a game not being completed is down to a clan or a player from one of the 2 clans involved and that the other clan was not at fault for why game was not completed then the clan who were not at default would get bonus points. As a league runner surely you are meant to apply this rule rather than your own personal feelings?
21:44 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
Simple really. It has gone from being a completion bonus to a "win your defaults" bonus.
The rule was you get completion bonus for completing your games. Exceptions were added for
1. deactivation mid-fixture without subs
2. refusal to play
Neither of these happened in the case of skiller, so why should the COMPLETION bonus be given?
To illustrate, if someone wins their default, that means they were less at fault than their opponents.
If that is true, Snooker Squad should be getting their completion bonus points in the game against Underdogs, since the only default went 8-7 to crazy_greg.
Would that make sense? No! Same with the skiller fixture. It could've gotten played on the last day. There were posts on the MVP thread saying lyle won't be able to make it on that night. MVP still got all the default points, but it could've gotten played.
If the completion bonus will be given just for winning the default, let's just get rid of it.
The rule was you get completion bonus for completing your games. Exceptions were added for
1. deactivation mid-fixture without subs
2. refusal to play
Neither of these happened in the case of skiller, so why should the COMPLETION bonus be given?
To illustrate, if someone wins their default, that means they were less at fault than their opponents.
If that is true, Snooker Squad should be getting their completion bonus points in the game against Underdogs, since the only default went 8-7 to crazy_greg.
Would that make sense? No! Same with the skiller fixture. It could've gotten played on the last day. There were posts on the MVP thread saying lyle won't be able to make it on that night. MVP still got all the default points, but it could've gotten played.
If the completion bonus will be given just for winning the default, let's just get rid of it.
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21:45 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
What vote is this?
melody said:
theukspoon said:
The final vote was 3 - 2
The argument against MVP was purely the fact that there was still an opportunity for the game to be played on the final day.. That it wasn't 100% skiller's fault.
However it was decided on 3 - 2, and in defence of the default panellists that voted no, there was a slight argument there and they are entitled to their opinion.
The argument against MVP was purely the fact that there was still an opportunity for the game to be played on the final day.. That it wasn't 100% skiller's fault.
However it was decided on 3 - 2, and in defence of the default panellists that voted no, there was a slight argument there and they are entitled to their opinion.
What vote is this?
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21:47 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
I can see this argument but as discussed on clan thread for games where player deactivates or it is clearly shown that the reason for a game not being completed is down to a clan or a player from one of the 2 clans involved and that the other clan was not at fault for why game was not completed then the clan who were not at default would get bonus points. As a league runner surely you are meant to apply this rule rather than your own personal feelings?
I don't agree with the rule to be fair, I was asked to post my opinion on what I thought about the situation which I did. I think no matter who is at fault neither team should get the bonus points.
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liam__scfc said:
I voted no and I think why have bonus points if people who didn't play all the games still get bonus points, may not of been your fault but still didn't complete all your games so shouldn't receive bonus points. This is my opinion.
I can see this argument but as discussed on clan thread for games where player deactivates or it is clearly shown that the reason for a game not being completed is down to a clan or a player from one of the 2 clans involved and that the other clan was not at fault for why game was not completed then the clan who were not at default would get bonus points. As a league runner surely you are meant to apply this rule rather than your own personal feelings?
I don't agree with the rule to be fair, I was asked to post my opinion on what I thought about the situation which I did. I think no matter who is at fault neither team should get the bonus points.
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21:47 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
well its obvious who voted for what now
its not just that case, its that he left for the tournament game, that is not being a team player is it??
MVP deserve the bonus points... therefore i voted for MVP and they got the decision in the end.
its not just that case, its that he left for the tournament game, that is not being a team player is it??
MVP deserve the bonus points... therefore i voted for MVP and they got the decision in the end.
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21:48 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
melody, as a fcl default panellist, you should know to check the forums after every fixture set
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21:49 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
How about the question gets answered now...
My self and Ant have been out since dgen's post about the discussion. 8 hours.... less than a shift in work.
Yet we log on to the vote already being passed, your joking right?
My self and Ant have been out since dgen's post about the discussion. 8 hours.... less than a shift in work.
Yet we log on to the vote already being passed, your joking right?
21:51 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link] Of course it's not very nice. But that doesn't mean the game couldn't completed at another stage. I agree that the incomplete game was mostly skiller's fault, but that is not enough to win the completion bonus. We have default points as punishment for this case.
theukspoon said:
well its obvious who voted for what now
its not just that case, its that he left for the tournament game, that is not being a team player is it??
its not just that case, its that he left for the tournament game, that is not being a team player is it??
21:52 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link] The fixtures were done on Sunday, so it's been 4 days since the discussion started.
melody said:
How about the question gets answered now...
My self and Ant have been out since dgen's post about the discussion. 8 hours.... less than a shift in work.
Yet we log on to the vote already being passed, your joking right?
My self and Ant have been out since dgen's post about the discussion. 8 hours.... less than a shift in work.
Yet we log on to the vote already being passed, your joking right?
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21:53 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT) [Link]
The 1st time we heard of any discussion over this was the post dgen made on our thread 8 hours ago!
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