Thinking now maybe i was wrong about winning 3 points per each won game. Because of tournament spirit i am just suggesting that it is not correct that someone who win tourney could teoretically lose points if tourney isn't won with perfect score. Maybe would be too much points if you gain 3 pts for every win. Maybe it would be nicer that player who goes throw the next round obtain points wheter he win 2-0 or 2-1 or otherwise in marathon tourney (only one ranking change at the end of round). I am fine with new ranking in regular games and i like it because it is better then before, just need some changes in tourney. For example i was playing perfectly today and obtained 15.4 points because i lose in semi final and final where i played 820+ lads.

Nick, only thing that should change it is that in tournaments you win or lose points at the end of round (think it should be fixed 3pts per winning the round, or it could remain the same system of proportional points, i will accept to lose 7.1 pts if i am kicked out), it should be the same if player wins 4-3, 3-2, 2-1 or 3-0 because it is tournaments. There are ranked games for collecting points, tourney should reward winner of the round not winner of the game.

Cheers m8.

I tend to agree that ranking points should be awarded by round in the tournies and not by individual games. Otherwise you get situations where you win very comfortably 3-1 or 4-2 or 5-2 and often lose rank.

Single game tournies are harder on the higher ranks in speed, random and str8 by their very nature of being one off frames and the current double pts system can see a high rank lose 5-16pts easily in a single game whether by fluke or skill. Whereas marathon tournies tend to see the most in form player win on any given day. A good example is Mich today who beat al and ucyforit 3-0 and 5-0 in tournie finals...

So in single frame games (random, speed, str8) use 1.3 rather than double pts.

So if you win a round in first to two you should get the normal one game ranking change multiplied by 1.5

So if you win a round in first to three you should get the normal one game ranking change multiplied by 2.3

first to four multiply by 3.2

first to five multiply by 4.2

For the loser in each round lose 2 x normal ranking pts

This means there is a bonus for winning a round and less harsh if you lose a round - the multipliers used above are just my best guess as to what is fair. I think many agree it is harsh to win a round 4-1 and still lose rank OR win a marathon tournie 21 frames to 5 overall and lose rank....

Is this administration silence means that you are considering this changes

I think Nick has realised that the new system is so in favour of lower ranks by now that something has to be done - it is fundamentally flawed. All the higher ranks have taken a big knock and all the lower ranks have risen mainly. Yet the higher ranked players are not worse than before and the lower ranked players are not better than before. The only high ranks that havent suffered are those that havent played.

It is absurd that you lose rank when you beat someone in any round of a tournament - yet this is happening time and time again when you win 2-1, 3-1 even 5-1

I don't know of any ranking system in the world that penalises you for going through to the next round apart from this one. The onus on high ranked players is not to lose a single game in the tournies v low ranked players thru either skill or luck. This is virtually impossible as very few tournies are won in the perfect way to nil lost frames.

what you have to understand is, YOU asked for all ranked tournaments and now nick made them all ranked YOU are complaining because it doesnt favour high ranked people but ranked never does, higher rank you are the more you must risk.

A part of power snooker got destroyed by 1 person complaining so lets not have this going the same way.

Wrong dgen - Nick asked everyone whether or not they wanted ranked tournies. Some said yes and some said no - what we didnt get a say in was how the ranking would be done. It is not a complaint - the system is flawed in its current format and needs tweeking. I enjoy tournies, always have done, and will continue to do so..... what I am saying is you should not lose rank when either...

you go thru to next round or

you win the final

In numerous cases as can be seen by viewing results the higher ranked player wins the round / final and loses out on rank or just about breaks even.

The system is far from flawed, just still needs time to get fully into place.



Well that is just tough. So if someone starts the final on 990 lets say in a marathon playing a 700 and wins 5-4 they deserve to end up on more points? No they don't. They lost 4 frames to a 700, so the points should be lost.

here here al ,so unfair that so many points can b lost by flukes etc a maximum of 3 points shud b awarded by a win and not losing loads by the sake of a fluke

eemad - you miss the point completely - if you win a tournie you should not end up on less ranking points regardless of where you started - in the example you gave above the 990 player would have to win 12 to 1 ratio not to lose out and the 700player is clearly not a 700 player unless he made 4 flukes.

the same goes if you win a round

One thing that I still think should be corrected somehow is the fact that some newbies come out of that stage with too low a rank because of the change in ranking points. Before you could come out of newbie and be a pro already and that was around the rank you should be, but now you come out with around 750 so the ranking change has not really corrected this problem. So I still think the difference between in ranking points awarded between tournaments and normal ranked games should be slightly less than it is than it is now.

Bud - I am less concerned by flukes - in fact not concerned at all as they can't be avoided (we all benefit or lose out from flukes).

BUT If a lower ranked plays well and wins a round - great take the points and well played. However if the higher ranked player plays well and wins say 3-1 and loses rank then the system is thus improving the rank of the lower ranked player at the expense of the higher ranked player and in effect penalising the higher ranked player for winning thru....

kev04 - it depends on the newbie but if a newbie started at a higher rank with the same 10% rule in place then people might reach or fall to their correct rank quicker. Newbies could start at 775......

Ignore the fact that it's a tournament and then tell me what's wrong with the ranking system. The rank works the same as it did before.

You're basically asking for a reward when you've lost a rack which is wrong.

No - not asking for a reward. You just shouldnt lose out if you win....

In both snooker and pool 'real world' you gain ranking points for winning thru to next stage or even winning a final. At present here in this system there are now numerous examples of people winning thru a round or a final and losing rank overall.

Thank you for taking part in our tournament - you are the winner - well played - sorry you lost some rank tho - that is the penalty for taking part sometimes

real snooker you dont lose points no but you can if you dont abide by the rules.

on here the rank system works perfectly ok, low ranks deserve more if they win and high ranks deserve less if they lose.

Same old al, always complaining....

same old rubber_duck - nothing useful to say whatsoever

I am just responding to ideas / suggestions made by others or making new suggestions which is the nature of a forum.

Sadly you have nothing useful to add or do you......???

Edited at 16:52 Thu 09/12/10 (GMT)

Could say the same about you, always saying the same crap over and over again...

At least al has constructive criticism.

It's just the way it goes though I say. Can work on the contray and you can go on a big winning streak and reach heights which weren't achieved though (which is possible as ranked games in tournys are worth twice the current normal ranked games and 1.2 times the value of ranked games before this update)

However, I think there still should be friendly tournaments, just a couple with nothing to lose and nothing to win at all (not even a tournament win on your profile) for anyone so you can play in a tourny without the pressure of losing rank and just for the complete fun of it.

I agree there should be some friendly tournies - and yes this subject hasnt been raised but there is much higher onus on a high ranked player not to miss / mess up now (i'm not sure pressure is the right word for online games) but yes I tighten up in some games after having just given 8 pts away needlessly lol