Again, Al, you're looking at it from a high ranked point of view, if a lower ranked player cannot gain anything at all unless they get through, then there is no point in them joining. Yes, they may draw an opponent with an equally low rank but it is unlikely-so they are unlikely (in theory) to go through and will therefore only lose out. If they make it close where it should, on paper, be a walkover then I certainly feel they should get a reward for that, I do however, still think it unfair that those winning may lose out (hence me asking about bonus points for the round winner).

Once again, I agree on the friendly tournaments-but I still feel they should be added as a stat (even if it's a separate one to normal tournaments).

Hi dark_angel

Not from a high ranked point of view but any rank point of view....

If you win a round you should not lose rank

If you win a final you should not lose rank

These principles should be applied across all ranks not just high ones.......

i think al_ is very innovative,always coming up with ideas,i hope soon he will be apart of the admin team.

Why not?

Tournapoints and rank are seperate for precisely this reason.

If you win a round, or a final, you will always have won points. Sure, you may have lost more than you have won, but that is irrelevant to the fact you have won points you would not have won had you lost.

As I said, I agree that those winning rounds shouldn't end up losing points, but neither should the person who makes a close game when on paper it should be a comfortable victory, should be rewarded for that...something you are not looking at because you should win the majority of games you play in a tournament on paper, so you are looking from a high ranked (and a favourite) point of view. Sorry to use a football analogy, but if a top team, such as Chelsea, scrape a 1-0 win in the cup against a much lower ranked opponent, say Southend, they may not lose anything, but they will still get ridiculed and Southend will get a lot of credit-by using points per game, we are turning the 'credit' earned by the lower player into deserved points.

I agree to lose rank in regular game if i lose from someone who has 700. But in tourney you are not choosing opponents and you cant protect your rank. That is the spirit of tourney. surprises are always possible and that is the chance of low ranked players to show their potential. I was just suggesting that you shouldn't be penalized if you win the tourney. Tourney is elimination system so if you eliminate someone you should be rewarded. I accept if i am knocked out from someone ranked 100pts lower then me to lose 6 or more points, but i can't accept that i am losing double points for every game lost. I think that tourneys should be ranked but instead of ranking every game, it should be ranked every round. There are 3 ways to do it:

1. Having for example 3pts for every round you pass through. (max win 20 pts)

2. Having 4pts for winning the final, 3,5pts for semi final, 3pts for for quarter final and from 1 to 2pts for every other round. (max win 20pts)

3. Is to win points at the end of the round as you should win in one game.

Cheers!

Instead of treating it as a tourny just see it as a series of ranked games, you can win more than you lose in ranked games and still lose points dependant on opponents rank, same in a tournament

I agree-if you're going to use the same ranking system without bonuses, it should be completely the same as ranked games. It's a risk you take by trying to win tournament/TournaPoints.

That is what i am saying, this kind of competition is not tournament. Those are simple ranked games where stake is doubled.
I will play that competition what ever happens, because they can be useful to improve your rank. I will rarely lose games from low ranked player but i still don't approve that you can end up losing points and winning tournament at the same time.

Which is exactly why it is perfectly acceptable to be able to win a tournament or round but have less rank than you started with.

The two are entirely independant of one another.

if you think you are the best you will take any challenge even if it wipes 10 points of your rank each game you should gain it back

I would like to add to this and just to keep it simple...

Someone explain to me like I am a 6 year old...

I win the trny lose points same time all because they are
doubled.

Also tell me how I am the winner and loser same time.

Whats the win. We know the loss.

It also does not boarder on crazy...it is...

Good thing its a toy pool game...

All our lives we have been told... If the question is half false...
its all false. Remember.

LOL

Ucy

And the ranked points are no longer separate from trnys...

lol.... they are included... you know ... tied together...
and double jeopardy too boot.

How often to we all get upset at our governments for taxilng
us more at their choosing. hmmmm

I am not saying Nick is like that... he is trying to impliment something new. It needs adjustment.

It has also been fun and we all see more players have gotten
involved.

gl to all

Ucy

i never entered many tournaments when they were friendlies, but enter a few more now because they are ranked

in any competition throughout the world teams that win things still lose ranking points - ie football england win their qualifying group but lose to northern ireland twice on the way - they will drop places in the rankings

in proper pool (and snooker) - you cant pick and choose what ranked players you play - its ALL done through tournaments

funkypool is quite unique that it lets you play ranked games - as well as picking the opponents you play against

nearly every ranked profession throughout the world it is only the competition (ie tournaments) that will provide you with rank - anything else is classed as a friendly

so - in summary lol - if funkypool was to follow the way the sport is really run, you would ONLY pick up ranking points in tournaments and all your other games would be friendlies

that however, would be boring - so Nick and the guys have come up with a very good alternative - keep the ranking system as is - i could just have imagined the uproar if it had been scrapped - but also include it in tournaments - perfect!!!

if you dont want to lose ranking points in tournaments - dont play them.....

and tbh - since this has happened we have seen an increase in virtuoso's - interesting

Edited at 08:13 Fri 10/12/10 (GMT)

The whole point of ranked tournaments is to create people with more of a true rank, and to stop people choosing their opponent (rank picking). You don't see that in life when you get to chose your opponent for rank.

All people are thinking about on here at the moment is that they lose more rank. Think on the contrary because it's easier now to gain rank than what it is before, and the quote below just adds emphasis onto this point.



Completely true, people are obtaining higher ranks than what they were before.So try to think of the rank you can gain!

Actually quite a decrease in virt's emily - apart from Mich and Ucyforit who are in and out of virt the others are those that haven't played in a tournie or ranked games for a while such as CCFC, Onua. Van_Boening doesnt count for obvious reasons.

As i said before i accept all challenges, that is why i am playing and i will play tourneys. I don't think that i am worse player then anyone here so i accept the challenge.

Just to me doesn't seem fair to lose your rank in toruney if u are through next round. You won toruney but lost ranking anyway (what is the point of winning it then).

This is very good for low ranked players. They can always fluke against some professional and get near 10 points, so even if they lose other 2 games they got 6 pts remaining. I don't mind about flukes, it is part of the game, but when i am playing player more then 100 pts lower ranked, and see that instead of pocketing clear ball and trying to clear table he seek for combination just to obtain easy win that starts to bother me (not much because usually they dont pocket that combo :p).

I will no longer discuss about that, funkypool is the best pool website on the web and i said that i approve and like new ranking system and ranked tournaments. I am just thinking that tournament ranking is not good and i made some suggestions to change it from my point of view. In that way (by winning ranking points if you are through next round) you will not reward high or low ranked players but everyone will be treated in the same way regarding the rankings.

Cheers and good luck to everyone in tournaments!

Coughs in significant fashion

U were in virt before ranked tournies started Dave (bumble) and since then ur rank has gone down in significant fashion lol - coughs - from 940?

its only natural, ranks go up ranks go down.

im one of those who dont care about my rank and perfectly happy to sit on 750 despite never being a virtuoso on here.