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horse10000
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19:12 Sat 3 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
ab_rfc said:
its holiday time,
whats going to happen if you have 2 or more players away on holiday ?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
Then theirs players busy with other things in their life, so again the same answer.

Answer = lots of defaults


There will be people away on holiday and you will have others who have either got problems and can't play or some who deactivate, get banned etc. and all it means is that games do not get completed and more defaults, it is not compulsory but anything that may help this happening has to be a good thing.
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19:21 Sat 3 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
ye m8 easy sayin from 1 the best clans on the game who aint exactly gna struggle for players....12 how its is now is fair for all
horse10000
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19:59 Sat 3 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
red4ever said:
ye m8 easy sayin from 1 the best clans on the game who aint exactly gna struggle for players....12 how its is now is fair for all


You are missing what I have said, we have struggled for players and games have went to default because we have had no one else available. It has got nothing to do with how good or bad your clan is. It is down to having players available to play and to try and stop defaults or make less games go to default.

You do not have to take the extra players into your clan but if you do end up with problems you only have yourself to blame for not taking in a couple of extra players.
janmb
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07:34 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
horse10000 said:
You are missing what I have said, we have struggled for players and games have went to default because we have had no one else available. It has got nothing to do with how good or bad your clan is. It is down to having players available to play and to try and stop defaults or make less games go to default.


And I think you are missing what he is saying Keith... His concern is that larger clans means the top clans will grab a larger portion of the best players, meaning a worse time for the less renowned clans - a concern I think is valid, to some extent at least.

Lets face it - some clans are more attractive for players to join than others. That doesn't apply for every single individual of course, but it's definitely a trend in the bigger picture. The larger clan allowed, the more top players get bundled into a quite few top clans.
dgeneratio
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07:46 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Now i have read this more clearly i can see sides from both points.

basically horse is saying more members would be a good thing because of holidays and family problems etc.

BUT

red is saying more members is a bad thing because the top clans such as MVP and Wipeout would steal the best players.

I am not fussed which side the league runners take on but for me 1 or 2 more members can't really do any harm, if it was like 20 i would argue against this because it would be OTT but 14 or 15 seems reasonable to me.
zantetsukenz
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07:48 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
zantetsukenz said:
Maybe just an increase for the teams in division 2 (where the problems seem to be occuring) as div 1 teams dont seem to be having a problem

Of course there is an overlap of the teams going down (which will be able to sign more players so no problem) and the teams going up (which means they may end up with 2/3 extra players than the rest of the division)

One solution is that they cannot sign extra players until they go under the limit for division 1 as a period of transition (as they still may be a 'lesser' clan as most clans who go up struggle against the main 3 who have a firm grip on that division)

Just a thought


An alternate to that would be lowering the clan size and games played
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07:56 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
janmb said:
horse10000 said:
You are missing what I have said, we have struggled for players and games have went to default because we have had no one else available. It has got nothing to do with how good or bad your clan is. It is down to having players available to play and to try and stop defaults or make less games go to default.


And I think you are missing what he is saying Keith... His concern is that larger clans means the top clans will grab a larger portion of the best players, meaning a worse time for the less renowned clans - a concern I think is valid, to some extent at least.

Lets face it - some clans are more attractive for players to join than others. That doesn't apply for every single individual of course, but it's definitely a trend in the bigger picture. The larger clan allowed, the more top players get bundled into a quite few top clans.


thanks jan couldn't of put it better myself
qpounder
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08:35 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
maybe the 2 month rule could be relaxed if more players are allowed so they could be used as a sub if needed while waiting the 2 months before being allowed a first eight start in a match like a last sub option if they are willing to be maybe ????
doubted2
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09:51 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
i still dont get this point about the top 3 geting more of the best players

the top 3 will pull the best players any way
its called natural selection

its upto you as a captain to sort your team and keep your players happy.

hey id love to win the league but if it aint happening, i want to maksure i complete all my fixtures , and if the top teams poach a player or 2 be it 12 or 15 players i will av to deal with it
doubted2
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09:52 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
fundamently i just want to complete all fixtures,
zantetsukenz
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09:53 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
You should be getting loyal players anyway, If you dont get loyal players then you always run the risk of them going to another clan, but you have a problem if its one of the top clans?
_flawless_
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10:42 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
If clan size does get increased you can always swap players around as you dont have to use the same 8 players in both matches so other players could get a game in the other game so mostly all players get a game.
dgeneratio
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10:56 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
_flawless_ said:
If clan size does get increased you can always swap players around as you dont have to use the same 8 players in both matches so other players could get a game in the other game so mostly all players get a game.


thats what i try and do on snooker
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11:18 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
_flawless_ said:
If clan size does get increased you can always swap players around as you dont have to use the same 8 players in both matches so other players could get a game in the other game so mostly all players get a game.


thats what i try and do on snooker


It makes sense, so your not throwing out just one team all the time. Giving others a chance
dgeneratio
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11:22 Sun 4 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
yeah i try and give everyone a game every week, some people would have 2 fixtures but thats ok.

If they cant make that week then i can always put someone else in.
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14:40 Mon 5 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
janmb said:
from goose:
"I think that the decision should be reached and still stand strong that defaults should not be a closed doors affair, captains of clans in the league should reach decisions in my humble opinion and it should be done in an open game room so anybody can be there to see what captains say. therefore getting true and accurate results based on open and fair information."

Defaults is not a closed door affair - the guidelines by which defaults are settled, the process on how it works, are all clearly stated in the rules. It clearly is a closed door affair as not all are invited to witness default decision.
Defaults need to be a clinical process based on rules, not based on opinions and debates. We input the scores to our best ability, following the guidelines and info available, and the final score is the average of the individual inputs. witnesses to the default process would not if stated in the rules, lead to a debate, i am sure that any captains attending the defaults table would be happy just to see how decisions were reached.

Who, and how many should be part of that process is of course subject for debate, but an open process of who thinks what in each game is not possible - simply because it would without exception turn every single default into a debate.
Not my belief, i do however feel that after all of these mistakes regarding the rules for defaults, they need addressing, they're a bit of a joke at the moment.
horse10000
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14:49 Mon 5 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Could one of the league runners advise if they are going to extend clan size for next season.

Not all clans need to extend there numbers but the option there for those who want that extra couple of players for back up.

Thanks
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14:53 Mon 5 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
horse10000 said:
Could one of the league runners advise if they are going to extend clan size for next season.

Not all clans need to extend there numbers but the option there for those who want that extra couple of players for back up.

Thanks


Agreed, i am looking to extend if possible really need input on this please
doubted2
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17:10 Mon 5 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
may i also ask for a discision as we are now looking to start freindlies etc and get ppl signed up

if you change it and make it an option of 15
its what im asking and again an option

ty
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18:02 Mon 5 Jul 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Please bear with me i was away half the wk end have finally caught up an am talking with my staff for there input and will go from there by friday i will have a final answer on the matter.

Just remember we have to reword the rules immediately if we do so and that needs to be ready to go at the time we say yes if we do.

Doubted dont tie ya self up with friendlies because as i stated we have pre season friendlies to be done which count towards everyone getting into the league.

Finish the season off sunday once i have sorted preseason friendlys and all rules transfer window etc am sure there will be a week or so spare then crack on is my suggestion for ya mate.
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