I do think Wayne has a very valid point there, I'd like to see something along these lines if defaults can't be decided with what we have already

Although considering hes an important secretary, he should have double-checked the numbers (39-36 not 39-26)

But yeah i think thats a good idea, although i do like the idea of captain vs captain to decide i scores remain level

What if neither capt or vice capt's was available to play though?

Im not one for seeding the players in a clan, but surely this would have to be done if neither are able to play. This may put other players on a downer making them think they aint good enough and so on

Well maybe both clans pick one player to go into the playoff match (and one sub)?

Yeah i think that would be best if this situation happens again.

Sorry if I'm incredibly dull here, but it sounds like what you are asking for is precisely how defaults are already done. The defaults are decided in that way in the first place - as a set of independent inputs from "a designated team of reliable and trustworthy individuals".

Problem is, sometimes, the right call is for a draw. And through pure happenstance, in this case, the score were already a draw and it's a cup game requiring a resolution.

If I get your post right, what you are saying is basically "If the defaults panel ends up with a decision of a draw, another, similar team should be called in to make a similar ruling" - and, if doing it right, would probably end up with the same conclusion anyway.

Bottom line is, we are already doing precisely what you are suggesting. Problem is that it does not, and should not, always lead to a non-draw result. Sometimes, the draw is the RIGHT conclusion, and I refuse a system artificially preventing a draw score simply because it may be inconvenient.

And in the end of the day, what more fair way to decide a draw than to let the teams battle it out?

Just to make sure we don't have any misunderstandings here: Defaults can, and is, always decided. We do not have a situation were the default panel / league staff somehow can not do their job and make a call.

A call was made, based on several independent inputs as always, and that call happened to be a draw.

That sounds like a sensible idea - forcing the playoff to be between captains (or VC) may be a problem now and then if both are vacant in the very short time frame such games receive.

Yes there is no doubt this would be the fair way but the rules as they stand any game that is unplayed goes to default. There is nothing in the rules about a play off and yet again the rules have been changed mid season.
The information regarding the game in question is pretty clear and i would love to understand why a default cannot be reached as per the league rules.

And as a further note i will not be playing any play off game as it is a farce with the rules as they currently stand.

All unplayed games do go default, no exceptions, nor has any exception to that happen in this case.




Bit of a confusion there (on my part). In short, the playoff is what the rules used to have as a last resort for cup games. Not entirely recalling right now, but I do believe that was changed when cup team sizes were changed back to an uneven number.




I believe this is a case of confusing old and current rules. The cup rules were at some point (well before this season) changed from playoff to using the most individual winners (since uneven number of players aside allows for that much simpler way of resolving draws)

I'm looking into it.

Edit: Please refer to the news thread for the final call on this.

Edited at 14:30 Sat 03/07/10 (BST)

from goose:
"I think that the decision should be reached and still stand strong that defaults should not be a closed doors affair, captains of clans in the league should reach decisions in my humble opinion and it should be done in an open game room so anybody can be there to see what captains say. therefore getting true and accurate results based on open and fair information."

Defaults is not a closed door affair - the guidelines by which defaults are settled, the process on how it works, are all clearly stated in the rules.

Defaults need to be a clinical process based on rules, not based on opinions and debates. We input the scores to our best ability, following the guidelines and info available, and the final score is the average of the individual inputs.

Who, and how many should be part of that process is of course subject for debate, but an open process of who thinks what in each game is not possible - simply because it would without exception turn every single default into a debate.

That says to me that Keith has declined to play.

so the vice captain of MVP plays if the playoff stands

True zante true

why not make the default players play it, I dont see that being a problem, one problem why it wasnt played is that midgett refused to play as he said he wasnt told about being subbed in, he knows now so they should play.

destiny v midgett

Edited at 17:18 Sat 03/07/10 (BST)

Since we don't have any current rules covering this, that is just as good a suggestion as any.

Steph's call.

As stated above you will need to do something, i will not play the play off game, if this is going to cause a problem i am sorry but there should never have been a play off as there should have been a default. If you want to kick MVP out of the cup because i wont play then thats your choice, i feel strongly enough about what has gone and am fully aware that there has been lies told.

I can only apologise to the rest of the MVP players and hope that they can understand me reasons.

Ab's suggestion above sounds as good as any to put this to bed once and for all.

Actually, lets take this one in private...

Edited at 18:56 Sat 03/07/10 (BST)

Since Steph isn't around to make the call right now, we're going to move forward with Al's suggestion.

destiny vs. midgett.

They are both online right now, so hopefully it gets done right now, but we'll set a deadline by tomorrow, midnight, in case they can't.

Should the game still stand unplayed, Steph will make the final call, naming one team the winner.

the reason for 15 players as i stated in covers holidays,
anything really and also some ppl want to join clans to be included , i see nothing wrong with that either