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16:13 Wed 16 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
Yep, seems to me Sutil has been on the receiving end for a lot of bad luck for a long time now.
Just like Nakajima has been handing out disasters quite generously.
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I remember Raikkonen doing it in Monaco last season, but also, remember the German Grand Prix as well this year, when Raikkonen hit him out of contention just after Sutil pitted.
Also Massa ruined him in the pits in Valencia last year.
Probably sort of glad Raikkonen was ahead of him in Italy so he couldn't take him out..again
Also Massa ruined him in the pits in Valencia last year.
Probably sort of glad Raikkonen was ahead of him in Italy so he couldn't take him out..again
Yep, seems to me Sutil has been on the receiving end for a lot of bad luck for a long time now.
Just like Nakajima has been handing out disasters quite generously.
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20:30 Fri 18 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
I haven't watched F1 much since Michael Schumacher and Fernando Alonso were going for the championship and I know Alonso isn't that good anymore but he will allways be my favorite F1 driver.
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04:34 Sat 19 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
Briatore sadly has been a royal donkey the entire season, he didn't take well to Brawn and Button doing so well at all - he's been a real cry-baby.
Well said
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Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds have Resigned from the Renault Formula 1 team admist the charges of race fixing are going through
Briatore sadly has been a royal donkey the entire season, he didn't take well to Brawn and Button doing so well at all - he's been a real cry-baby.
Well said
05:51 Sun 20 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
He sure was my favourite back then too, right up until he joined McLaren, got solid competition from Hamilton and acted like a damn fool about it.
I don't think he's much weaker as a driver now, but he has a weaker car, and a lot harder competition.
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I haven't watched F1 much since Michael Schumacher and Fernando Alonso were going for the championship and I know Alonso isn't that good anymore but he will allways be my favorite F1 driver.
He sure was my favourite back then too, right up until he joined McLaren, got solid competition from Hamilton and acted like a damn fool about it.
I don't think he's much weaker as a driver now, but he has a weaker car, and a lot harder competition.
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08:41 Mon 21 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
BBC SPORT said:
Renault have been given a two-year suspended ban for their role in fixing last year's Singapore Grand Prix.
The team were called before governing body the FIA to answer charges they had asked driver Nelson Piquet Jr to crash to help team-mate Fernando Alonso win.
Former team boss Flavio Briatore has been banned from FIA sanctioned events for an unlimited period.
Renault's ex-engineering director Pat Symonds has also been excluded from Formula 1 for five years.
Briatore and Symonds parted company with Renault last week at the same time as the French car giant said they would not contest the charges.
The FIA agreed not to pursue action against Piquet for his role in uncovering the details of the scandal.
Alonso, who attended the hearing in Paris, was also cleared of any involvement in the race-fixing scheme with the FIA adding it "thanks him for cooperating with enquiries and concludes that Mr Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1's breach of the regulations."
However, the World Motor Sport Council hearing found Renault "in breach of the International Sporting Code and Sporting Regulations."
A statement by the FIA added: "The council considers Renault F1's breaches relating to the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to be of unparalleled severity.
"They not only compromised the integrity of the sport but also endangered the lives of spectators, officials, other competitors and Nelson Piquet Jr. himself.
The team were called before governing body the FIA to answer charges they had asked driver Nelson Piquet Jr to crash to help team-mate Fernando Alonso win.
Former team boss Flavio Briatore has been banned from FIA sanctioned events for an unlimited period.
Renault's ex-engineering director Pat Symonds has also been excluded from Formula 1 for five years.
Briatore and Symonds parted company with Renault last week at the same time as the French car giant said they would not contest the charges.
The FIA agreed not to pursue action against Piquet for his role in uncovering the details of the scandal.
Alonso, who attended the hearing in Paris, was also cleared of any involvement in the race-fixing scheme with the FIA adding it "thanks him for cooperating with enquiries and concludes that Mr Alonso was not in any way involved in Renault F1's breach of the regulations."
However, the World Motor Sport Council hearing found Renault "in breach of the International Sporting Code and Sporting Regulations."
A statement by the FIA added: "The council considers Renault F1's breaches relating to the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix to be of unparalleled severity.
"They not only compromised the integrity of the sport but also endangered the lives of spectators, officials, other competitors and Nelson Piquet Jr. himself.
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08:43 Mon 21 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
BBC SPORT PART TWO said:
The WMSC considers that offences of this severity merit permanent disqualification from the FIA Formula One World Championship.
"However, in particular the steps taken by Renault F1 to identify and address the failings within its team and condemn the actions of the individuals involved, the WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season."
"However, in particular the steps taken by Renault F1 to identify and address the failings within its team and condemn the actions of the individuals involved, the WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season."
11:37 Mon 21 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
A hard sentence... which they most definitely deserved.
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14:45 Mon 21 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
I think when you look at the senteces given to McLaren over the past few years and you compare it to this, it's almost laughable.
I am sickened and appalled by this travesty - just goes to show what happens if your part of the 'in' crowd!
I am sickened and appalled by this travesty - just goes to show what happens if your part of the 'in' crowd!
10:40 Sat 26 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
Yeah, McLaren was stripped for points and excluded from the constructor's championship for much much less severe reasons that this.
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12:31 Sun 27 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
My thoughts indeed. I mean I understand that McLaren done wrong. STealing another teams car information isn't good and isn't fair, however, they didn't use any of Ferrari's setup for their own cars. Doesn't make it right.
Again though, Renault, Piquet, Flav and the rest of the Renault team made a choice to endanger everyone invoved in the race lives'!
How come sponsers, teams and drivers aren't being given their money which is rightfully there's? Why should renault still be allowed to compete for championship points.
Alonso's arrogance over the whole thing annoyed me. When asked if he thinks he won the race fairly he said yes. Even though they (Renault) done that I still had to do alot to win....
Ah well EOR!
Jensen is 3 races closer to winning. It's gonna take something major to stop him now - which could well happen knowing him!
Again though, Renault, Piquet, Flav and the rest of the Renault team made a choice to endanger everyone invoved in the race lives'!
How come sponsers, teams and drivers aren't being given their money which is rightfully there's? Why should renault still be allowed to compete for championship points.
Alonso's arrogance over the whole thing annoyed me. When asked if he thinks he won the race fairly he said yes. Even though they (Renault) done that I still had to do alot to win....
Ah well EOR!
Jensen is 3 races closer to winning. It's gonna take something major to stop him now - which could well happen knowing him!
12:53 Sun 27 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
Strong victory for Lewis
And for once, Sutil was in the giving end of a real mess-up.
And for once, Sutil was in the giving end of a real mess-up.
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14:45 Mon 28 Sep 09 (BST) [Link]
Mathematics for you.
Mark Webber is now out of the running to win the world championship after crashing out in Singapore.
5 more points for Jenson Button, so 4th or higher in 1 of the remaining 3 races will rule Sebastien Vettel out of the championship. If Vettel finishes outside the top 3 in Japan, doesn't matter how Button does, Vettel will be out the running
IF Button finishes 1st and Rubens Barrichello finishes 4th or worse next race, Button will be world champion, Button 2nd and Rubens 6th or worse, Button 3rd and Rubens 8th or worse or Button 4th and Rubens out the points, Button will be world champion in Japan.
Constructors, Brawn only need 2 points to be crowned constructors champions in their debut season.
So that's the maths out of the way, I would say Renault got away very very lightly, not suspension, no fine, no points deductions. And remember they broke the rules of health and safety in Hungary when a wheel came off Fernando Alonso's car, was a one race ban turned to nothing after appeal. I personally think it's a disgrace in comparison to what happened to McLaren and their disqualification from the constructor's championship AND heavy fine for nicking data from Ferrari which isn't half as bad as what Renault have done. Renault should have been chucked out the championship, docked all constructor's points and a big heavy fine for the SECOND rule breaking offence within a year.
Mark Webber is now out of the running to win the world championship after crashing out in Singapore.
5 more points for Jenson Button, so 4th or higher in 1 of the remaining 3 races will rule Sebastien Vettel out of the championship. If Vettel finishes outside the top 3 in Japan, doesn't matter how Button does, Vettel will be out the running
IF Button finishes 1st and Rubens Barrichello finishes 4th or worse next race, Button will be world champion, Button 2nd and Rubens 6th or worse, Button 3rd and Rubens 8th or worse or Button 4th and Rubens out the points, Button will be world champion in Japan.
Constructors, Brawn only need 2 points to be crowned constructors champions in their debut season.
So that's the maths out of the way, I would say Renault got away very very lightly, not suspension, no fine, no points deductions. And remember they broke the rules of health and safety in Hungary when a wheel came off Fernando Alonso's car, was a one race ban turned to nothing after appeal. I personally think it's a disgrace in comparison to what happened to McLaren and their disqualification from the constructor's championship AND heavy fine for nicking data from Ferrari which isn't half as bad as what Renault have done. Renault should have been chucked out the championship, docked all constructor's points and a big heavy fine for the SECOND rule breaking offence within a year.
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16:02 Fri 2 Oct 09 (BST) [Link]
God i love sky and bbc1 at last i have managed to catch race practise on red button wooo they dont advertise times thye have it on there.
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04:22 Sat 3 Oct 09 (BST) [Link]
i watched it when i got home from work this morning, couple of bad crashes there
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God i love sky and bbc1 at last i have managed to catch race practise on red button wooo they dont advertise times thye have it on there.
i watched it when i got home from work this morning, couple of bad crashes there
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05:53 Sat 3 Oct 09 (BST) [Link]
Apparently Glock is in hospital with leg and back injuries, and Mark Webber wont be racing after crashing in qualifying
Hopefully it's not too serious for Timo, and hopefully Mark isn't injured.
Hopefully it's not too serious for Timo, and hopefully Mark isn't injured.
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10:49 Sat 3 Oct 09 (BST) [Link]
Yeah I was up with my little Jim Jam this morning watching it! (Jim is my son for those not in the know)
Was very stop start.
Mark Webber is fine, he was commentating a little and talking to ITV.
See if Button can out-perform his rival tomorrow!
Was very stop start.
Mark Webber is fine, he was commentating a little and talking to ITV.
See if Button can out-perform his rival tomorrow!
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06:21 Sun 4 Oct 09 (BST) [Link]
Recorded race today just watching start all commentary so far race start in 10 mins wooo
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13:25 Sun 18 Oct 09 (BST) [Link]
Probably the best first few laps i have seen!
Tuilli has a temper problem!
Webber might get his 2nd race win!!
Tuilli has a temper problem!
Webber might get his 2nd race win!!
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14:37 Sun 18 Oct 09 (BST) [Link]
Meh, i can understand TRULLI'S frustration. Being taken out on the first lap can never be nice.
Congratulations Button, no doubt in my mind that he deserved it. Shame Barrichello will have to wait one more season though.
Both are worthy drivers, and a great team effort to win the constructors championship.
Congratulations Button, no doubt in my mind that he deserved it. Shame Barrichello will have to wait one more season though.
Both are worthy drivers, and a great team effort to win the constructors championship.
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