Dee is the captain tho m8 not dgen. If this had been sorted with Dee to start with then I'd see your point.

Yes, you disregard the efforts of James to arrange this match and my own to stamp your authority on it and go back and undermine what he has said after you. I posted last night trying to arrange, you've been on since then but didn't make the effort to sort it out with me. James did make the effort so I was arranging with him. I'm not the captain either but we both have the experience to sort it, we don't need the badge.

You didn't make the effort since rearranging, I did. James replied to arrange with me. You didn't say tomorrow wasn't an option, you only said initially that if its going to be 2 tomorrow why not play with the 2 tonight. That isn't saying you can't play tomorrow or you don't want to. We could've gotten more on tomorrow since it was more notice, and it was 2 definite playing with a few maybes rather than only 2. You only informed us after the game would've started had it been arranged for tonight that tomorrow wasn't an option and you weren't willing to offer more days.

Yesterday you had 4 on according to the post by dgen afterwards, not 5 so please stick to one story. I know that, but effort is more than just logging in as you should well know. Of course you made the effort for a 6-0 yesterday, but you cannot expect that just because you got a full team on tonight (when it was not arranged for, because you deciding tomorrow isn't an option after it had already been arranged between us isn't arranging a time) that we have to play with whatever we have on because you made the effort. You just had players on, you didn't make the effort because I've been here all day and you're telling me the person I've been arranging with is now being overruled.

But Dee wouldn't sort it with me. I posted on here last night, Dee posted this morning but didn't try to arrange anything. Only Dgen did.

I never said he was being overruled I simply pointed out that when you are telling me that I said tomorrow was fine and I said it was 2 no shows, that you're wrong, because I didn't.

There is no clan on this site that would have risked arranging for another night, when we would lose players and uprising could gain them. That's just common sense. It was tough enough (as the result shows) vs two of you with our 5, nevermind us losing players when we were ready to play the date and time that it should have been played.

I don't have to sit here all day trying to get people to play because there are enough in this team who are interested enough to make the effort to be here without being hassled to do so. So credit to you for trying. But it would have been an insult to those players who did use the initiative and interest to show up, to again say "we'll do it another night" and risk losing 2/3 of them.

Do I think you're unfair? No, I don't, but there has to be a cut off point and if we couldn't get the players on at any time afterward and uprising could then it would have been my fault for not supporting my team for their effort on pulling together and being here when it was supposed to be played to start with.

Without going into how nice I was to even refuse the default and guaranteed 6 points.

I was on a work conference, I didn;t get home until this morning and then had to go back into work this afternoon. I trusted my team would show up last night, and they did.

You didn't use those exact words but you said it.

I spent all day trying to wrangle an arrangement out of you while getting my players on for that time. An arrangement was made, I stopped making effort to get players on tonight so I could make effort to get them on tomorrow as arranged. That is your issue. You showed at an unarranged time and decided it was better than the arranged time.

If you'd have tried that from the start then we would've had more players on. I'm not suggesting you have rigged or twisted it in anyway to get a better result or I wouldn't have said if we can't arrange you can have the default. What I'm saying is you gave us a chance to arrange to get our players on then forced us to play at a time we'd agreed was bad.

I don't believe it was a benefit to you, but I thought you wanted to play us on a level playing field. You panicked thinking we would play you on a field that was to our advantage and forced us into playing when we had players ready to play tonight but not logging in because we had decided to get the level playing field you offered us over the default.

You think my own effort was just about getting my side on, when it was about arranging for us both to be on. You didn't give me that, then overruled me when I gave a day to which you had been happy with.

No my point is that we didn't have to spend effort all day to "wrangle players" online, they showed up themselves because they still have an interest in the team and playing the games that remain.

And I wasn't on all day. I logged in to check when the game was re-scheduled for and it was tonight.

I logged back in before 8 to play the game. Our players had as much short notice as uprising did, and again our players took the initiative to be here, and uprising didn't. So there's no way I'm going to say yet again "another night guys" and risk losing players.

You should be grateful it was played and won and quit while you're ahead.

I didn't say you said tomorrow was fine, I said you didn't rule out tomorrow. Your side ruled out Friday and Saturday. If it doesn't rule out Thursday then it's an acceptable day.

See my post above for where you said about the no shows.

It's common sense to read what the other clan is saying if you are arranging with them. We were never going to force you to play if you didn't have the players, I've said that several times now. Under the circumstances we made it clear we would appease DFE in any way not that we would play if we had an advantage in numbers. You should know we're better than that. It didn't have to be played in the next few days, a suitable time/day next week would've been fine, just as soon as possible we suggested so as to not put your players through waiting again. You would have a point had we not already missed the proper time. If you were unhappy with us having more players then you could've just refused to play and taken the default as you were suggesting tonight so that excuse is just rubbish.

My effort was with you to arrange as well as my players, had you bothered to stick with the arrangement or arrange with me yourself then we could've had the fair match you declined a default for. If you were busy then what's the problem deferring to James rather than bursting on and not being decisive until after I'd gone off because it was after 8pm.

I'm just going round in circles, so i'll just leave it here. I won't bother arranging with you again because your word means nothing. It's only nice if you don't end up using the act of kindness as a weapon. We would never have played a match with more players than you and that is obvious.

Exactly my point. Your team showed up when it wasn't arranged, taking the initiative. I took the initiative into trying to arrange it and I did. Then you went back on it when I left. I would've been grateful if you didn't completely disregard the effort I made in arranging.

I "burst on just before 8" because 8 was the arranged time for tonight when I checked in earlier. As I said our team had as much prior notice to the game being tonight as yours did. Our team showed and yours didn't.

Uprising have zero interest in playing the remaining games and that's been proven, don't vent at us just because we still do.

Goodnight, zante.

Sorry zante but regardless of what effort was made by yourself today to arrange this for tonight or tomorrow.

The facts are still that last night on the actual date, the only person who actually made any effort to play last night was myself from uprising. The only people to blame for this is the uprising players who had been advised several days ago regarding the killer dates.

DFE kindly offered to try and play either tonight or tomorrow to make sure game was won or lost on the table as opposed to a 6-0 default win which they could easily have taken.

On DFE thread there are posts just before 8pm still stating that killer was tonight, now regardless if this is different to what has been said elsewhere, if uprising wanted to make effort to play the game, there is no reason why they couldn't have had players on both nights after letting DFE down the previous night, if they really were wanting to field a team and get the killer played as then DFE could have played when they had a full quota, which they had tonight again after trying the previous night.

They were going to be a couple of players down tomorrow so why would they not decide enough is enough and just take the default, i think common sense would say that this would have been a sensible decision for any captain after what had gone before, i could not manage earlier as i had already advised but when i logged on i offered if they had players available to play them myself just so game was played and you never know i thought i might sneak a point in frame difference.

DFE went out of the way to help and vixen texted Richie so that uprising had 2 players on against the DFE's players. This is way above what DFE should require to do to play a game that was already not played due to uprisng, no one else.

Now DFE have lost the killer against uprising which may cost them the chance of winning the league but all of their players were more than happy that they believed that the correct outcome was achieved which was the game played as opposed to being won by default.

Yes i can understand your frustrations zante but they should be taken out on your uprising team mates who let the clan down last night by having no players on to play in the first place as opposed to DFE for changing their minds after doing as much to assist the game being completed. Hopefully this will be a lesson to uprising and the effort to get players on for the remaining killer games will be better but i wouldn't bet on it

Fancy 2 players captaining a team though, that don't even come on regularly enough to find out whats going on with "killer"

Dgen should be the captain, he'd do a much better job then the jokers in charge here.

My opinion

Soz guys for killer was always off for night (no net on tablet) and Xbox to myself for the week so came on at 8 pm and was off straight after As i have Xbox for the week i only intend to play Killer at 8 pm then log out and go on Xbox.

In future though Harry has me on Xbox and will be on Dialga on Xbox from teatime this week so get him to mail me and i'll come online if its late.

Until Monday i'm on Xbox more as it isn't every day i get it at night and i get bored on PC being on 12 hours per day so easy choice and only want to do Killer and wait around 30 minutes and would log out when i am eliminated/we win.

cheers

After fiasco at "New" Pros i didn't want to Captain although at some points i stepped up when needed so instincts never really goes

Its true mate.. All i see on this thread is "cant make decisions waiting on Dee to see what she says" blah blah blah.. Because she is the apparent captain of the team.. But i_am_noob makes decisions behind her back. Its all so fascinating.. Much better then netflix

I have made some bad sub decisions though, On Snooker i'm only one to Captain in every season since i started in 2010 but everything is done right. Pool is about politics, arguments and manipulation so i'd rather not be involved in that but probably 1-2 month of games left.

Edited at 08:10 Thu 20/10/16 (BST)

Not sure why Killer is still being discussed as its played.

Anyway my take on things.

Originally Zante wanted tonight or tomorrow but then Uprising wouldn't show a second time (except Zante who would have logged in what would have been a 1v5).

"If no one comes on we can try tomorrow as same stance as yesterday however we have to draw the line at some point."

^ I did post this however but Dee only found out about losing 2 players near 8 pm and she didn't want to lose an advantage after two 6-0 potential defaults.

I would have rather played it when Uprising was on but not every day you get two no shows and understood and accepted Dee's post even though i wanted to play.

Uprising came on later and Dee decided to do it which is good and shows we don't want to take the easy way out, If it was tomorrow and no one showed i would have taken the default as would feel we was messed around and would have been three no shows and would have seemed that Uprising wasn't interested.

Dee messaged me but was on Xbox so wasn't logged in and will be the same for the week and back to normal Monday Afternoon as i never get Xbox at night so was always going to take full advantage of it and unlike previous times, i have friends to play with.

I added Ryan (Legend) and Harry on Xbox so if i'm not online, i should be on the Xbox, If one messages me, i'll stop playing Tanks, turn PC on (5-10 mins for bootup) then log in to play and log out after again.

"Not sure why Killer is still being discussed as its played.

Anyway my take on things

Do you realise how silly that comment sounds? You say it's over and done, yet here you are 'again' dragging it out...

Your Captain has told other teams you are NOT the Captain. It seems you are having an issue understanding that because it's getting messy how many times you seem to be screwing it up for the rest of the team and being at the centre of forum conflicts.

No worry though James. A new season will be starting soon and as everyone knows you will be dropping out, so it will benefit everyone. Ironic though isn't it? I mention in my post last night that constant arguing is the cause for members leaving and look who is involved......Again!

At this point it's completely boring.

Dgen
Lolumadbro
Vixen

Do you guys get out much? Seriously?

It was my opinion and it isn't an argument where two teams fight, it is a discussion, Oh and point #2, i wasn't involved last night.

burnneddddddddd

You are involved or is that part where your Captain mocks your contribution and uses it as an excuse for this mess a lie?

Lol.

JAMES - YOU ARE NOT THE CAPTAIN. THE SNOOKER GLORY DAYS HAVE PASSED.

So is this still your final season James?