If you have the time to wait a few we can just see who appears, it doesn't necessarily have to be dvz unless he wants to come back on.

northman is on too, as am I

lolumadbro can come on too he's just messaged

Ok _epicshot_ is browsing if he could get on that would give you 4

Im here!

We played the killer, and literally had no excuse. Keith was going to play alone but I txted Richie for him and he came on so it was rich and keith vs me jack northy lolumadbro and hippes.. Rich was killed fairly quickly but then we all started killing ourselves until it was just me and Keith left with one life each, I rattled a shot and he took the win.

Very valiant effort and a well deserved win to Keith, it wouldn't have been right to take the default and regardless of whether we had players earlier the game was played in the right way.

So thank you to Jack, Alan, Hippes, and northy for coming on and playing, and very well played Keith and Uprising.

I asked your side several times to name a day, all you did was say not Friday or Saturday and that it had to be 8. You said that either tonight or tomorrow would be good for you. So at short notice I tried and 2 hours before the proposed time tonight I said it wouldn't be any good but tomorrow would be better seeing as we hadn't arranged for tonight in concrete. You knew the team tonight would be me and ritcho because that's what I told you hours ago, and that we had people who couldn't make it on for 8.

So why after I have gone and it is clear that I've arranged for our side to play tomorrow are you threatening a default and saying we have no showed when it was arranged for tomorrow not tonight? Why have you suddenly decided that you can play after 8, when I could've been on and could've got ritcho on which you knew because I had told you. I went offline, because we had arranged for the game to be played tomorrow.

Why are you saying it is twice you have made the effort when I've spent all day trying to find out the best time to play you only for you to go back on what you've told me after the game time (and again, after we have arranged for it to be played tomorrow night). You think if you didn't have the numbers then we would've swindled you? Do you think that little of us that we would take an unfair advantage?

Today, you didn't make the effort. I did all the running round at short notice to get the game played fairly. It's hardly unfair on you that you got a full team online for a time I'd already said wasn't going to be good. If you'd have told me then that you didn't want to risk not having a full team tomorrow I would've stayed on to play but I stayed on until after 8 and you didn't bother to say anything.

So yes, you're side was kind in offering a replay in what would've easily been a 6-0 default. But please don't lie and say you made the effort when I've tried all day and as soon as I've gone off believing the game would be played tomorrow as was the only arrangement you've kicked up a storm and said we no showed.

If you're not going to bother sticking to what you arrange and just threaten a default then next time save me the effort of a day trying to sort out a team at short notice and just claim the default first time, it'll save you lying.

I never once said tomorrow would be fine, James did. Us agreeing to play after 8 was as a favour to YOUR team, not ours, when we could have taken the 6-0 default with ease, as you will see from the actual results from the killer match, so it was hardly some default ploy.

I even txt one of your players to get him online when Keith was prepared to play alone. It's not our fault uprising aren't interested anymore, and as a captain, I should be backing my team who make effort instead of waiting again and again for a team that don't.

Who the hell lied? Both nights we had players on and both nights you didn't, that's team effort, i.e showing up for a game that wasn't pre arranged for any other night. I logged in as soon as I was available and I posted straight away that I wasn't happy waiting another day because frankly, uprising losing interest isn't our problem. Had the game been played with the 5 players we had on earlier we would have won, the same as we would had it gone to default.

Can't get any fairer tbh as keith will tell you himself. If it wasn't for Dee then richie wouldn't of even come back online.

Dgen posted on your thread at 20:14 m8 to say Dee wanted it played tonight, not our fault you'd already gone and didn't see it.

Edited at 23:22 Wed 19/10/16 (BST)

And FYI I wasn't insulting your personal effort, I mean as a whole, as in.. 5 of our players show up, and only 1 or 2 of yours do. regardless of whether you tried to get players on all day, our team were interested and showed up when they were supposed to. So what would have been a personal insult, would have been for me to disregard that and say for the second time "lets play another night" and risk losing our players so you could gain yours.

That's my point. You didn't give a day, you said either was fine. You never said tomorrow wasn't an option until after I logged out. I'm not saying it's a ploy, it's poor organisation and blatant lying.

I know it was a favour, just like as a favour to your team I tried to get my team on tonight and when that failed and I told you, I then went on to arrange for people to come on tomorrow night because you'd allowed us a replay. I already said you could've taken the 6-0 default easily so why repeat my own point?

Again, i'm not saying you were trying to get a result out of us and of course you back your own teams effort. But you also respect the opponent, not tell them you'll do one thing and then do another once they're gone. You only waited once for a team that didn't show, because it was arranged 2 hours before the time that we would play tomorrow and I repeated it again an hour before. It was only after I left that you said tomorrow is not an option, you've said Friday and Saturday weren't but your team made clear Thursday was an option. If your team makes effort when they know the other team won't be on because it's arranged for another night that isn't unfair to you that's poor organising and management.

I fully acknowledge your team gave us an extra chance, but don't lie and say you made the more effort tonight because I'd done all the running round all day. All you did was reply to the effort that I made and gave me the choice, I made it and then when i'm gone you stabbed me in the back and said it had to be the other one and threatened the default. Yes, your team showed up. But logging in at a time that isn't the arranged one is not worthy of effort just because you go back on what you say.

If you'd have been honest from the start and told me the things you decided after 8pm then we could've arranged for 9pm. You just changed your mind after I left. Like I said, save your lies and just take the default first time round. Saves me wasting my time messing about to sort a new day, time and team.

You saying we no showed tonight because I was online and I could've got ritcho online but I saw we didn't have a team. You wanted a fair game and if we can't field 3 players then you'd get a point automatically, since you wanted a fair game I tried my best to give you that fair game and not to have you win 1 point without effort.

You saying the game wasn't prearranged. I went through the effort of sorting it because you hadn't committed to a day only a time. You then decided after I left that the day was no good for you rather than just saying what if there's a problem tomorrow. You made it clear you were unhappy with waiting another day after I'd gone. That's not my problem, that's yours because you've only said that after I decided the day which was one your team said you could do.

You lied because you said as long as the game was at 8pm on one of the specified days that would be fine. I told you about a player who could make the day but not the time and you said nothing.

You can't just throw in that you had 5 better players on because me and ritcho are both accomplished players and a win wouldn't have been certain. Greater upsets have happened in killer and we've both won games in the past for our side. Just because you have a good side of 5 players doesn't mean you win.

You're wasting your time now. Because I never said, not once, that tomorrow is fine, James did. I'm the captain, not James, and as soon as I logged on I posted that I wasn't happy with it being tomorrow or any other time.

It was going to go to default until Keith logged on and agreed to play it alone, and I saw that myself and a few of us were still on, and instead of taking the easy default, I even txted one of your OWN players to get on and give Keith a hand.

And we did make the effort tonight, and last night. When I say effort I mean team effort, that's why we had 5 on, and you had zero. Our team took the initiative to show up and be here, you had to spend all day trying to get players on that was futile.

Little bit ungratefull imo. Regardless of circumstances tonight, they could have claimed the 6 last night and been within their rights. You start to wonder if Ash's attitude is the right one dont you? (NOT FOR VERY LONG MIND)

What a late night thriller we've got install folks!

Grab yer popcorn.. This could go on for some time..

Oh wait its bedtime..

That's my point Alan. All day I've tried to sort this, and based on what your side said I decided that 8pm tomorrow was better than 8pm today. I stayed on until after 8pm to see if you were unhappy with this and you said nothing so I left. I can't just stay on all night until you tell me because I'd posted and messaged quite a few times and had to wait for responses.

If you decide 15 minutes after the match would've started that it had to be tonight then what am I supposed to do having tried to get that information out of you all day. Am I supposed to get a team on 15 minutes after the game was due to start. That's not good enough notice to get people on? You'd already said it had to be 8pm. Your side decided that and this was all to fit in with what was best for your side. To have all that effort thrown back in my face because your side was finally decisive after I'd sorted things out for another time and then to call that doing us a favour is just insulting.

Only as I've said several times, you weren't supposed to show up tonight you were supposed to show up tomorrow, so it's irrelevant. You've effectively said well we showed up at the wrong time so lets force our opponents to play now because we think they might take advantage of a weakened team if we can't get the players. Despite me making it abundantly clear several times that we would make sure everything was fine for your side and that you wouldn't be disadvantaged.

You are saying you don't trust Uprising to not take advantage. That if we had the players and you didn't that we'd force you to play, even though we said if you can't play then you could take the default. Try to think things through please, unless that is what you actually intended after showing us a kindness.

Actually zante, I never once said you no showed, again, that was not me.

I logged on after rushing home from work to play for 8pm. 5 other players (not including me) were on and waiting to play. That made 6 of us. Because this team is interested in doing the best we can. You spent all day trying to wrangle in players and it amounted to nothing. That's not our issue.

The only reason it wasn't played last night was because nobody wanted to play Keith alone. Our players managed to get online at short notice, if your team as a whole had the same interest and showed the same effort you would have had 5 on also (that's what I mean by effort, not an insult to your personal attempts) ..

We could have taken the 6-0 .. Yet I still agreed to try and get people on (including one of your own players) and play it the fair way. We started at 9.30+ an hour and a half after we would have preferred. You think that was to benefit us?? No it wasn't.