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02:17 Wed 3 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
he's doing grand..

some dont think so thou..i was replaced basically by fiz,,

and was chosen only once in FCL..its just a hater is all
faust
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02:23 Wed 3 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
he's doing grand..

some dont think so thou..i was replaced basically by fiz,,

and was chosen only once in FCL..its just a hater is all


LOL! Have you forgotten you drunkenly asked me to leave you out of the next set of fixtures, and I still picked you for one anyways???
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02:25 Wed 3 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
he's doing grand..

some dont think so thou..i was replaced basically by fiz,,

and was chosen only once in FCL..its just a hater is all


LOL! Have you forgotten you drunkenly asked me to leave you out of the next set of fixtures, and I still picked you for one anyways???


if u read properly...

i said i got a message...nothing on what i or you said
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02:27 Wed 3 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
It's the lowlife ummagumma thats worried that he isn't getting enough games lol. I was getting a bit concerned about the poor bloke as It's been a while since I've heard off him now.
faust
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02:29 Wed 3 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
he's doing grand..

some dont think so thou..i was replaced basically by fiz,,

and was chosen only once in FCL..its just a hater is all


LOL! Have you forgotten you drunkenly asked me to leave you out of the next set of fixtures, and I still picked you for one anyways???


if u read properly...

i said i got a message...nothing on what i or you said


Ah...I was a bit slow on the uptake there Franny! Had a few myself you see! lol
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02:35 Wed 3 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
all good mate...it's only a hater..no harm at all to me.
horse10000
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20:35 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
FCL Default

_egotistical 8 - 3 joeyy


Any questions regarding this please feel free to message me offline.
_knightmare_
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20:48 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
What a joke! Default score is pathetic!
Correct we put in a player in the 1st fixture set - unfortunately they were unavailable for the 1st 2 weeks. (How were we supposed to know he'd be inactive???) Your cruddy rule about not being able to sub for two weeks only left 1 option and that was to go against our communication and information they'd be available shortly.

Is that really a reason to just remove a player - NO! is the answer.

This default score only goes to encourage others to do sweet nothing in week 3, don't worry if your opponents active it's fine...you'll still win regardless. Put your feet up and watch the fixture go to default when we're ALL meant to do what we can to get matches played.

League Runners are meant to be there to help 'RUN' and keep things RUNNING/Functioning smoothly - encouraging the lack of effort for week 3 goes completely against that premise.

No questions for you offline - Just Bravo!
dgeneratio
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20:56 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
lol, tantrum or what? fact is andy wasn't free for two weeks whether you knew or not is irrelevant, its on paper and facts. ego wasn't free for one week, also fact.

then keith had to take messages, posts etc into account which would boost or lower the scores probably but without seeing that info, no one knows what the default should be, you can only make guesses.

maybe people will learn about the guidelines set instead of complaining as everyone read it. If i left a player in for two weeks and opponent didn't want to play last week then i would accept responsibility regardless of whos fault it was as i would be running the team.
zantetsukenz
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20:57 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
It encourages teams to play active players if anything at all.

Black Scorpions got roughly half points, that's not exactly a massive win. They showed effort for 2 thirds of the fixture, they can't be punished more than you for a lack of sub when that was basically your issue for the first 2 weeks. Whatever they could be punished for, you could be doubly punished.

If you'd have had a player in the first two weeks who was online then I imagine you would've won the default. If you'd have sent in info that is. If you don't send in info then why are you shocked to lose?


Your issue is with the rule, because it means you can't play your inactive players without punishment and you can't force teams to sub out their players who made effort the whole set because you make all yours at the end of a fixture.
horse10000
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21:04 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
What a joke! Default score is pathetic!
Correct we put in a player in the 1st fixture set - unfortunately they were unavailable for the 1st 2 weeks. (How were we supposed to know he'd be inactive???) Your cruddy rule about not being able to sub for two weeks only left 1 option and that was to go against our communication and information they'd be available shortly.

Is that really a reason to just remove a player - NO! is the answer.

This default score only goes to encourage others to do sweet nothing in week 3, don't worry if your opponents active it's fine...you'll still win regardless. Put your feet up and watch the fixture go to default when we're ALL meant to do what we can to get matches played.

League Runners are meant to be there to help 'RUN' and keep things RUNNING/Functioning smoothly - encouraging the lack of effort for week 3 goes completely against that premise.

No questions for you offline - Just Bravo!


As usual you want to post online as you think everyone is against you. If you want the facts regarding the default, phoenix were lucky to get 3 points. If anyone wants to see why games don't get played they should look at the default information for this game.

Facts are you had an inactive player for 2 weeks, which you could have removed if you wanted to sub earlier.

You subbed on the Monday yet the player you subbed in did not send any messages to his opponent until the Friday at the earliest which meant over half of the week when the game could have been played had passed, _egotistical was active when the sub was made he only went inactive later in the week so effort when sub was made could have still meant game was completed. So after 18 days out of a 21 day fixture the only effort that Phoenix have made is doing a sub for an inactive player. So you got a point per day of effort. You actually got a far greater point award for effort per day than Black Scorpions.

Now Black Scorpions may complain but that is a different argument.

Now as the league runner, please advise where i have not acknowledged your effort or lack of it? I look forward to your response as to why you have been so badly treated
dgeneratio
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21:05 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Reading back through the thread, the issue of inactive players has been mentioned. I will stress again that no clan should feel obliged to sub out an active player on deadline week / weekend just to get a game completed against a player who has mad no effort until deadline day. I am more than happy that in this situation that the game would go to default, in current scoring system this will punish clans who prefer to keep players in who are inactive as opposed to substituting.

I would also like to point out that we had several games that went to default last season where both players were active yet when it came to default information there was no messages sent in three weeks (No messages or effort in 3 weeks is unacceptable and i question why did you join a clan in the first place). The minimum i would expect all players to do would be to message after the fixtures were released and even if opponent is inactive or chooses not to respond a follow up message at the start of each of the following weeks, this would be three messages but it shows that you have made effort and your opponent hasn't. For the same three week period your opponent that you have messaged could be on 10 hours per day seven days a week but if he doesn't reply or make effort he will get punished heavily in default.
dgeneratio
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21:06 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
The only thing that can be used is actual messages and posts to establish a default, time spent on line can mean nothing if you are not attempting to arrange to play your game.

By messaging and replying you should be able to establish suitable times / dates that you can play and if you cannot manage to match it gives plenty of time to ask for a swap to match an opponent who can.
horse10000
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21:07 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Thanks dgen for digging those out
dgeneratio
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21:19 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Let me explain clearly what these guidelines mean.

- The Rule is there to try and encourage captains to put in active players

- If your player hasn't been on in two weeks your giving the opponent all the power and all you can do is make effort to gain more default points

- If the above scenario happens then opponent has the power to either try and play (sporting) or take it to default which wouldn't be right but in some cases its justified.

- If you leave a player in for two weeks you have to take some responsibility even if it wasn't your fault. Then all you can do is request a sub and ask the sub to make much effort as he can.

- If default happens, you shouldn't expect much as a captain you left in that player when could have been removed sooner

- You have to do everything in your power to match opponents times as they did the chasing

- If your asking for a sub, ask politely then more chance of working together, negativity = less chance to sub.

- If opponent is in that situation, reverse the above, then you have that same power.

All this doesn't guarantee default points as effort counts also as Keith pointed out

^ i follow these to the bone and accept responsibility for any inactivity or lack of effort the clan has
horse10000
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21:25 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
Let me explain clearly what these guidelines mean.

- The Rule is there to try and encourage captains to put in active players

- If your player hasn't been on in two weeks your giving the opponent all the power and all you can do is make effort to gain more default points

- If the above scenario happens then opponent has the power to either try and play (sporting) or take it to default which wouldn't be right but in some cases its justified.

- If you leave a player in for two weeks you have to take some responsibility even if it wasn't your fault. Then all you can do is request a sub and ask the sub to make much effort as he can.

- If default happens, you shouldn't expect much as a captain you left in that player when could have been removed sooner

- You have to do everything in your power to match opponents times as they did the chasing

- If your asking for a sub, ask politely then more chance of working together, negativity = less chance to sub.

- If opponent is in that situation, reverse the above, then you have that same power.

All this doesn't guarantee default points as effort counts also as Keith pointed out

^ i follow these to the bone and accept responsibility for any inactivity or lack of effort the clan has


This is a basic interpretation i do apply other factors and look at everything there is no guarantee that if an opponent is inactive for 2 weeks then a clan sub an active player in and offer other players and match times etc, the inactive clan can still win the default in week 3 as the other player may never wanted to play in those 2 weeks and was just going through the motions hoping for a default. Every default is different as the information provided is different but i do look at everything and try and gain when actual effort was made and also lack of effort if both active as then why was game not played etc etc
dgeneratio
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21:29 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
true mate and just a basic summary, had to post it was had to explain in different ways the other day and people can't understand the basic guidelines.

of course until info is seen no one knows the default
horse10000
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21:53 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
What a joke! Default score is pathetic!
Correct we put in a player in the 1st fixture set - unfortunately they were unavailable for the 1st 2 weeks. (How were we supposed to know he'd be inactive???) Your cruddy rule about not being able to sub for two weeks only left 1 option and that was to go against our communication and information they'd be available shortly.

Is that really a reason to just remove a player - NO! is the answer.

This default score only goes to encourage others to do sweet nothing in week 3, don't worry if your opponents active it's fine...you'll still win regardless. Put your feet up and watch the fixture go to default when we're ALL meant to do what we can to get matches played.

League Runners are meant to be there to help 'RUN' and keep things RUNNING/Functioning smoothly - encouraging the lack of effort for week 3 goes completely against that premise.

No questions for you offline - Just Bravo!


As usual you want to post online as you think everyone is against you. If you want the facts regarding the default, phoenix were lucky to get 3 points. If anyone wants to see why games don't get played they should look at the default information for this game.

Facts are you had an inactive player for 2 weeks, which you could have removed if you wanted to sub earlier.

You subbed on the Monday yet the player you subbed in did not send any messages to his opponent until the Friday at the earliest which meant over half of the week when the game could have been played had passed, _egotistical was active when the sub was made he only went inactive later in the week so effort when sub was made could have still meant game was completed. So after 18 days out of a 21 day fixture the only effort that Phoenix have made is doing a sub for an inactive player. So you got a point per day of effort. You actually got a far greater point award for effort per day than Black Scorpions.

Now Black Scorpions may complain but that is a different argument.

Now as the league runner, please advise where i have not acknowledged your effort or lack of it? I look forward to your response as to why you have been so badly treated


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dgeneratio
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21:58 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
should post that on phoenix mate
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22:41 Fri 5 Feb 16 (GMT)  [Link]  
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