LMAO it's there in black and white for all to see 'There is nothing wrong with tactical subs' from one of your horde and you can't accept it, i'm not trawling through any threads I just had to type 'tactical sub' in the search box and booom!...an Egyptian crocodile is less in de-nile than you

You love examples, how about you show me one where I've changed the WHOLE line up? Guess what you can't as I've never done it and never will.

It's just wishful thinking to justify your preconceived mythical accusations.

No, I appreciate there have been issues before, but not to the same degree, and not for such a prolonged amount of time. The last 2 seasons are the only 2 where rather than enjoy a bit of banter and a bit of niggle, I've wanted to assault people! lol

Who is in denial, the person that has the entire clan league agreeing this clan is ridiculous and bordering on cheats who ruin the fun of the league or the folk that find one example of folk saying tactical subs are ok as the end of the problem. For the record I have never said there is anything wrong with tactical subs either. Again the point has went so far over your head its not funny. I used to believe you were intelligent, we done on fooling me.

Taking a quote from 4 years ago, out of context doesn't really make sense. You didn't quote the league runner also stating that it was fine as well. The system in place at the time was a limited subs system, in which case tactical subs are fine because there is a limit, once a clan hits that limit then it goes against them.

That is a system that has been proposed as a counter measure to the issues brought up currently. It didn't include making 2 substitutes in the same match within minutes, making subs to mess a player out, etc.

If we limit subs, then there isn't anything wrong with them. Oops, did I say that now?

If clans stuck to the following, there wouldn't be any arguments....

http://www.funkypool.com/thread/19897/xvth-man-luck-takes-no-prisoners/2#1698312

You don't even need to trawl back that far tbh...

http://www.funkypool.com/thread/18724/fbl-discussion-2/75#1573242

It also takes away confidence and more importantly enjoyment of playing from the player being subbed out, for the sake of what?



So, with your acknowledgement that Ash is involved in tactical subs and that tactical subs just take the enjoyment out of clans... Can anyone help me add 2 and 2?

Can we please bring this back to ideas on how to improve the league, rather than who said what 4/5 years ago?

Jesus bloody Christ guys

I think on a dying site Chappy, the amount of traffic on this thread is pretty impressive! Who cares if people are enjoying the arguing or the pool? lol

Sorry but these guys don't want to move forward, you post simple suggestion rules for next season...just get permission off the other team, if it's genuine they'll give permission and if it isn't then they won't....not rocket science
The little group of 7 that think they speak for the whole clan league would rather argue for another whole season and carry on their vendettas.

i used to enjoy arguing, chomp hunting even, dont no more attitudes frustrate me, i just dont understand how people cant follow common unwritten rules relating to sportsmanship

"Their vendettas"?? It was my personal vendetta last week, and now there's 7 of us?? lol The truth is that every other clan is annoyed, and have posted their feelings this season. I think you know full well the number is well beyond 7 anyway.

However, I do agree that everything has been discussed regarding this issue. My point of view though is that no rules should be changed. We all know how we should act, and if we all agree to do so at the start of a season - there's no issue.

How is that going to work?
People will agree to not make tactical subs then just come up with 'genuine reasons' every time they want to do one and world war 3 will erupt daily on the forums as it has been this season.
If you can eliminate the arguing around subs in one simple rule then why not do it?
Then we can get back to arguing about who is crap again

Seems like we are the only ones who want to try and change the subs/swaps rule mate

Yes. That may be true. The juxtaposition is that the more unrestricted the rules are - the less defaults we'll have and the more fun it is. However, if someone exploits the current rules to their own advantage - the less fun for everyone else it is.

Any tightening up and adding of restrictions will increase the likelihood of defaults, which would have a huge knock on effect. There hasn't been one single suggestion that makes sense so far, other than Lee proposing that any change has to have the opposing captains approval. That would also promote clans trying to harbour better relationships, although if changes are refused - could lead to arguments. Still a decent idea overall though. Restricting the number of subs seems stupid to me and would guarantee an increase in defaults. If only because not every captain is sad enough to spend as much time and effort to get games played as a few of us do.

Yeah my box is done in by it all mate, the ones that hate tactical subs more than anything aren't interested in a simple rule to stop them, everyone has to have the same moral code instead so I guess we're left with isolating genes and genetically modifying players instead.
Made my suggestions anyway and i'm done with the debates. (this one served a purpose of getting me through till bedtime and sleep pattern back on track )

I really can't see permissions working. Leaving aside the obvious problem one Captain may find in trying to get an equal level of collaboration to the rest, if my team is leading by a point or two and I know an opposition sub is a really good player am I going to ask them to sub in against me, or if the rule was a slight variation of that, would I permit them to sub that player in against me?

That's a valid point. However, your example is just another form of exploiting the system but doing it within the rules.

It's looking like we either have gamesmanship or defaults. I've not seen anything suggested that could avoid both.

Thats why I am a fan of keeping it simple

Unlimited subs
Limited subs
or
No subs

Right, heres is my idea in two points:

1) every team has the right to make only 3 subs/swaps for match for whatever reason they see fit.
2) If both clans cooperate well with each other and the above rule is a restriction for them they can make more subs/swaps but have to be agreed by each clan And posted on the thread