How about keeping it very simple?
A substitution has to be
a)requested by the opposing team or player
b)permitted by the opposing team and player

Couldnt you just request a sub for a tactical reason then?

You wouldn't have to make the sub just because somebody requests it though...that's for the standard 'mrx been offline 5 days can I have a sub' one or 'deadline soon mrx been off 2 days can we get a sub'

i dont think theres any reason to question every question, just ;look at the thread, pick say 3 ideas, message every captain and there vice and ask them to vote and the majority settles the rules

Only thing that you would have to pin onto that would be to make clear that hindering games by not allowing subs for genuine reasons would be punishable by death.

Can we also put to death peoplle who underline, bold font, member tag in the same post?

Any sub by any team could be viewed as tactical, but it is certain teams that get jumped on more.

Chris has to look at every team equally, which some on here don't

how many pikck themselves with no intention of playing,
give an opponent 3 players in a day,
start losing a game and ask for a restart,
dont give there own players permission to sub into games when the sl clearly states anyone can be subbed in or swapped without captain doing it,
how many start a clan, and make another rule set just for there clan when setting up,
change the number of players in a clan, change it back again,
change the rukles again, when there opponents are online, jumps on them with another player and says they have to play cos there online but on other hand, says if someones online dosent mean they have time to play if theer in his team, and tells them only to play when comfortable anway,
how many girated a player who had the nerve to sub himself in to get a game done without his permission then booted him from clan

come on chappy pal, this isnt ganging up, its people being fed up

I personally like the idea of having a set number of subs per fixture. It will certainly make sure you use them wisely

Got to laugh at all this crap about davybaumers, he has been in clans longer than Ash and lfc12 combined yet you make out like he was a manipulated newbie.
Anyone could ask me or you to wipe a 3-0 loss and they would get told to jog on.



We must have missed the pages of complaints by the over competitive devil's clan on that one ....maybe Ash shows more respect to an experienced player's decision than you

i agree with what your saying, but how many would ask, and arent u embarrased that he did

We don't even know that he did ask, could just as likely have been complaining about the setup he was using and davy offered....sounds more likely to me.

and if the reverse is true and he asked Davy to start from scratch after only making him aware of the computer issues when the game had started to which Davy was gentlemanly enough to agree to under the assumption he was playing ash stil, would you be embarrassed by it?

Please remember he didn't follow the rules here so that is no defence.

Lol davy didn't even mention it to his clan before he lost 5-1 so I think he was happy with the decision and he didn't follow the rules either.
You forget too that Ash captained davy before so they know each other well.

and you forgot to answer the question. By you not simply saying yes you would be embarrassed, you are condoning his bad actions. By doing so you really shouldn't complain you are sick of the grief of you aren't willing to help get at the root of the cause.

So how would that go?
Eg clan 1 post hey you're player is offline 6 days can we have a sub?
Other clan say yes or no...
But if they say no will it go against them?

I actually do like you idea and I give reasons for mine EG in fbl I made a swap as we knew the 2 players wouldnt be online at the same times, and I knew the other game would have similar problems, :)

As I keep saying, I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with the rules. It's only been the last 2 seasons there's been MAJOR fallout from these issues. I think if all the captains just spoke pre-season and all agreed what is and isn't "cricket", then things could chug along just fine again!

Would be exactly the same as it is now in that example mate, captain could refuse to sub out an offline player but if he risks it too long they'd get hammered on default so they wouldn't.

It still allows for total freedom to do whatever changes are needed to get games played but if you smell a tactical sub then you could refuse it.

Sorry you're totally wrong, tactical subs have been around so much longer than Ash and I had to laugh when I did a search on 'tactical sub' in the clan management section...

http://www.funkypool.com/thread/16366/league-discussion-thread/27#979193

4 years ago zantetsukenz telling everybody there is nothing wrong with tactical subs

correct me if I'm wrong but that's when you were only allowed two subs per fixture so you couldn't abuse the entire fixture like ash does now. Id love for you to have a look through the threads at that time and see who all lied why they were doing the subs. I'd hazard a guess.......none. Again the points seems to go over the head of everyone in that clan.