You admitted yourself that you made the sub for tactical reasons to try and gain more points, that speaks for itself.

By saying ash wanted to face huts sounds as tho it was his idea because he hasn't played him before just like last time against untouchables. I'm not really fussed anyway just enjoy playing in clans and it will be a shame when they are completely ruined by every clan choosing who they want to play in every fixture.

Why don't you introduce a common sense panel with 2 from each team making the panel, and they can overlook and vote on subs being made and grant permission.

Me and faust will do it from ups cos we drink most beer, matty and funky, seb and pete...............etc, don't let erigert on though

totally agree with u . if 1 swap was made then it wouldnt be so bad but 3 is just stupid . As i say i wont be allow these swaps as im in the right here . your cant pick who u want to play . i play who i get when fixtures come out . tbh your making yourselves look silly and it will effect FCL league and FBL as people wont want to play for clans ect ..

fixtures come out randomaly and each player plays who they get unless they find them selves unable to . subs are then used not swaps . i feel there should be a rule on swaps myself .

Because all are meant to be impartial and also the fact players think it's their right to intervene in everything when quite simply if they minded their own business then some issues could be defused a little better. I made 3 switches so what, every team has done it in the past, FE have made 3 switches but I don't see all this hassle over theirs.

Easy solution.
If you dont like the intent of your opponent's subs, simply sub the fixture back yourself. No arguing needed.

I believe FE was due to giving other players a game.

Also shouldn't be a limit on subs or swaps, perhaps a 2 day ban on subs but no limit as what happens when you really need them towards end of the fixture, you lose out on the completion bonus and it goes to default.

Ive seen that exact same problem in the past for FBL.

For FCL its hard to call it tactical subbing, yes they may swap to make fixtures easier for themselves but at end of the day the format is the same no matter what happens and 9 ball can change the complexion of any match regardless of 'ability'.

In FBL it would be different due to a single type

i have subbed it back lol ..

i just dont like my players getting messed about tbh.

All I will say on the matter and that's it is: - All 3 switches were made with careful consideration, our reasons have been expressed so their is transparency between the two teams. You just reversing them for no justified reason is what ruins the essence of a team.

In order to be a team, you do what you can to reach your goal, in this case we feel these 3 fixtures will give us more chance to compete with your team, it's called 'Tactical Nous'. We have 100% confidence in ALL our players so saying the opposite is incorrect and quite frankly absurd. We will continue to do what we feel is best for the TEAM.

You saying you will play for DEFAULT clearly shows their intentions.

posted a reply on your thread as this is a FCL discussion thread .

Every captain makes tactical swaps and subs, some more than others, that is just part of the game. Some of you want tight rules that would restrict so much in the league (which after a season you would hate anyway)

The situation that has came of light is really out of my hands as both captains are within there rights to make a swap and reverse as they see fit. A compromise will have to be made somewhere though as if not and those games go to default both teams will lose out on points.

Although i have no real authority here as they are within their rights, i have spoken to Jema and she has gave a compromise to which i have sent to Lee. Both know what will happen if a compromise is not made.

Oops was typing this whilst Jay was posting, hopefully the compromise works.

5.2 When can substitutions and swaps be made
Substitutions and Swaps can be made at anytime during a fixture.

Both clans are doing nothing wrong, Black Magic are entitled to sub or swap at anytime and Elite Forces are swapping the fixtures back, nothing in the rules to stop either happening.
Black Magic's captain has admitted the swaps were tactical, just my opinion but I think quite a few captains would reverse these swaps to combat tactical play, especially when its admitted.
The only way to resolve this is both captains coming to some sort of agreement, not sure I can see that happening tho.

So you basically just said what others have been saying all night... I just seen your edit after i typed this haha

Black Magic captain actually agreed with one swap, came online to find two had been made. As mentioned though they are in discussions through a mutual party (that being me)

No compromise made and games not played will = both clans getting nothing from defaults.

I do think things need to be changed jay I know ive said this too you 8 or 9 times but if you gave reasons for subs EG had to show both players had messaged each other or one had then it would show that they cant play if there is a time difference.
Or if a player is offline 7 days.
And Jay not all caps do tactical subs I never have.

Are we? Yes I made 2 but did speak with Captain first, so I am not in the wrong which your post above implies.

I'm going by what i have been told by the captain. Compromise has been made now and i would like to hear nothing else about it to be honest. Made it worse since my wife was involved to she got a nice good telling though

Whatever mate.

The only way that this would be proven is if either the capt or the player involved sent the messages to the league runner ? (which is very unlikely to happen)
What happens when a captain admits to tactical subs/swaps do they get a warning too ?
Surely it needs to be made clear to captains and vices , at the moment the rules on swaps are quite clear on the website rules :

5.8 Swapping two players
As a means to combat time zone problems and the like, Captains may swap two of their players within a match if this improves chances of games getting played.

Im fully aware that the situation that occurred has been resolved , but surely it shouldnt have happened in the first place.

says and the like though. I do agree that teams shouldn't be able to pick their opponents but i don't think warnings will help. Warnings should only be enforced if really needed and i don't think tactical swapping is one of those. Conceding frames without playing them or numerous rage quits are a different story though.

Up to the captains what they do though and if the player is silly enough to listen then its the player who should be warned in my view. If it continues then warn the captain.

Totally agree on the bold bit, however surely a captain makes the decision on who is submitted for the future fixture, if they dont feel a player is good enough to play against a tough team, then dont put them in that fixture. To blatantly lie about it being a time issue, and then post that its because more points were wanted is wrong , and then tell the opposing team a reverse of swap will not be accepted is wrong.The league needs to decide whether tactical subbing is allowed or not , because the whole situation will get ridiculous.