Ah well, I thought it was the style we've all grown to love....but it seems there are still haters

jay is the only league runner, he has a wife and a baby, he certainly isnt going to make time to sit and watch everyone elses clan matches

This would need to be the rule to stop 'tactical subs' as they are being called which would be a complete joke

Second part is 'still tactical subs or match fixing' as we are calling it which rule is meant to be stopping. If i want to use tactical subs now, i tell my players not to play week one and i will tactically sub all at start of week 2 and now that is acceptable and not match fixing or tactical subs anymore as it is in week 2 so we have solved the problem. Sorry but subs are part of the game we should be embracing them throughout a fixture at anytime

lol brilliant

Where does that leave you then?

I am sure league can deal with any individuals if they think there is something going on but as i said if it is the players concerned really must have no life so not a problem that would bother me if it is happening, leave them to it if it makes them happy i am sure they must get some pleasure out of it but i can't see what

I am certain that this was missed in a previous post i made about this rule you are all nattering about. (It is not on the rule yet but it will be added i just forgot to add it earlier when i had the time)

Some people are under the impression that this new rule is strict. This is the difference from the FCL rule and the FBL rule, example below.

The Professionals have an inactive player in one of their games, he has been offline for lets say eight days and it is three days into the fixture and need to sub him out to get the game played or at least try to. As long as i am messaged even if i am offline i would class that as an extreme circumstance and then would allow an early sub. Even though why would you put a guy in to a game when he has been offline that long unless he states a day he will be back.

(If messaged and i don't agree with it you will be told and the sub would be cancelled as soon as i can do it, i would say an extreme circumstance would be anything from 4 - 6 days offline and would allow the sub to be made)

Sorry jay but the rule is something that should not be added as you can either do unlimited subs anytime or you can't. It is impossible to match fix as you end up with a valid player playing the game if he is in your clan so it is not match fixing, it may be a tactical sub. but at the end of the day that is why we have 16 players and a captain, every clan does tactical subs whether it is day one or day fourteen of the fixtures, the timing of such subs is irrelevant you either allow captains to captain and sub to get games done or tactically as they see fit or we go back to the dark ages where no subs are allowed at all as the timing of them is pointless. All i would need to do is advise all players to not play games in week one, tactically sub everyone at start of second week and everyone is happy as it is with in the rules. If a clan should choose to sub everyone in the first day of fixtures the clan they are playing have the right to sub everyone as well so it is not match fixing it is a tactical choice which is available to both clans. We are forgetting the most important thing in any clan game is that 8 games get completed. If a clan uses a different 8 from the original 8 for this to happen there is no problem with it and it is not match fixing it is just using your clan members who are all part of the same team/clan. So i am sorry but the rule is pointless and achieves nothing.

So a sub one hour after games are released is tactical? Give over mate please. Not even giving the first guy a chance to get the game arranged or even see he has the game.

I respect your opinion but from some of the posts on here and the offline messages i have got say that people are liking it.

If a captain chooses to sub after one hour that is his choice, the other captain has the same choice. The player who gets subbed in is one of the 16 members of the clan so if the captain chooses to do it that is his choice it is not match fixing it is a tactical decision by him for his reasons. It is open to all clans so it can not be match fixing it is tactical decisions by the captain.

And as for others liking it, they can like it if they want it still does not add anything in as if i was a captain i can still do tactical subs after 7 days instead of one hour so you achieve nothing.

Clan games are about getting games played. The 8 players who contest the games should not matter as they will all be valid players for that clan. If i am playing against snooker squad and i get drawn against dgen and seb decides to switch himself in after one hour that is his choice and will be for his own tactical reasons, is seb a valid player for SS, yes he is and if after a few days he thinks i would be better swapping and letting pirate_steve play me and he will play dvz that again is his choice the two games will still be completed by valid players for both sides so there is not a problem with tactical subbing whether it is done after an hour a day or a week. It is called captaining and running a clan and any captain who is doing it fair play to them as they are doing whats best for their clan as all captains should.

There's an easy way to counteract "tactical" subs if you don't like them (which I've done this season)- if two of their players swap and you think they're trying to screw with you, simply swap your same two players to get the original fixtures back.....

As for strong players staying out and then subbing in- I wouldn't be very comfortable doing that because it's a bit of an insult to the player getting subbed out. It's kind of a crappy thing to do, but I'm not sure we can or want to prevent that.

I think there is a spirit the games are usually played in which the immediate subs goes against.
The whole idea of the matches being drawn at random makes it more fun and unpredictable.
I did say when the rules were changed so that players could sub back into any game this would lead to people being able to pick whatever matches they wanted but it has made it easier getting games done.
Certain people are very sad and have no concept of playing things in the proper spirit but stopping subs in the first week would hinder games getting done with genuine reasons for the sub.

Why not say subs in the first week require league runners approval and subs afterwards don't?

Not sure how useful any of these options would be, but maybe require opponent's approval?

the rule that u cant sub for seven days i like as some people when games are released are asking me for subs instead of giving guy a chance to play game i always give my guys 7 days to play game unless there offline for 10 days when they will be removed

rule that anyone can make sub on deadline day is fine as long as person making sub does what us captains do and post it on our thread the opposing teams thread and fcl or fbl thread as sometimes id come on start trying to make subs and find out game has been played

Any need for bold text? And at least put some fullstops in there, I'm out of breath reading that

yeh so people can see it amazing how people pull people up about punctuation get a life

So people can see it? So if you don't use bold it just disappears??
I've got a very good life, but I shouldn't have to waste it for your incompetence.

Have to agree with cke's 2nd post here, his first aint perfect but I could read it easy enough, not everyones punctuation is perfect, I'm sure mine aint but do I want people pointing it out all the time on a pool forum, definately not, it happens too much on here, In future if you can't read a post feel free to message the person rather than trying to make them look silly, its not nice and also causes arguments.

True however "get a life" isn't really suitable either really but i guess if people are annoyed thats the excuse people come up with. You don't know unless you live with them

Asked before that none of that rubbish is on here so i hope neither resume it.