exactly lee, if this rule comes in i may as well not be a vice as i will have no clue who i can or can't sub in (like FBL) i have to tell seb to let me know of the subs, i mean how embarassing.

let me point one thing out though Super League only has 3 games less yet has no problems whatsoever even though you can freely sub, funny isn't it?

your right lee, i think a lot depends on who captains let in clans, mainly when people pull out of games and post there excuses u know straight away its bullbob, seems same players are known for it and the new players seem to do it too, as regards to tactical subs it should be a case of everyone doing it or no one doing it, if everyone agreed that b4 the season that subs could be used to try and win matches fair enough, but opn other hand if people want to play the fair but fun way then thets fair enough aswell

I think tactical subbing and blatant match fixing are two different things.

When you submit a team sheet for a fixture, surely you automatically put forward players you intended to play? Correct? I do not imagine the majority of captains put forward their less talented inactive players. The point of submitting a team sheet is to use it.

What we hate is clans that submit a team sheet and then as soon as the games are released, make subs! I mean what is the point in submitting a team sheet that you do not intend to use?

Over 80% of the subs that happen so early on are subs that aren't needed to be made and are made purely to better the draw.

If you want to maximise points, put your best team forward in the first place.

Surely that makes sense?

Who assumes it needs 15 messages? Why not one simple post?

Oh but of course if the Captain/vice go missing without warning of course they cannot make a sub, do such a post or anything at all for that matter and the game has to go unplayed no matter what.

I am not saying a Captain is not perfectly within their rights not to make a sub if they think thats the right thing to do. But it is up to them and their team to make sure that instruction is followed. Not to stop games from being played in the same circumstances of 'missing' Captains/Vices where no such team instructions or intentions exist and players would be willing to get a game played.

But to summarise, you want a rule where everyone has to conform to the way you would choose to operate rather than have a rule where you can still operate however you choose to but where others can operate how they choose to, and which also does not place an unneccessary obstacle in the way of games getting played.

Edited at 23:08 Tue 01/01/13 (GMT)

Probably cause no one really cares about Super League (No offence like) but we just play and enjoy it but we don't care where we finish in it if we're all honest. Don't get me wrong it's a great side game to play, but, I'd rather be an FCL Div champion than a Super League one.

correct, we are taking about the same sub rules as FBL, in FBL it makes sense since you only play in one type out of four but in FCL its all the same so no point really.

Right, I am sorry, there is many posts, my little bimbo brain is getting fried lol

I see what you mean about the sub thing now, it is easier with the FBL since it is split into separate game types, not sure how Jay will manage the FCL subs.

what ur syaing is true and maybe im not in a position to comment having only played one season, but the point origonally made that i backed up is a very valid 1 and occurs more then time zone problems, if a sub wasnt allowed to come back into a game, chances are they wouildnt be coming out of it, if it then causes probs with time zones, all u have to do is have a panel that decidees if the sub is allowed based on lpast login times, past defaults and other criteria

I do not think I have ever had a problem with time zones, I have had to play people in America and New Zealand before with no issues, just about communication and IF you really cannot manage it, swap with someone who can?

Or am I missing the point again lol

no it were dgen that said that not allowing subbed subs to play anyone else wouldnt work cos of timezones, what u hagve just said has reimbursed what i and a couple of others were saying, timezones are rarely a problem, and are used as an excuse for thge rule not being acceptred, as they are , for peopkle avoiding games and tactical subs

No you've just proved his point lol. Time zones aren't always an issue but match fixing is

as Jimmy said though how do you find out? even if your allowed to sub once per fixture it can still happen. What about clan deductions and fixture bans or suspensions?

was a clear case of match fixing this or last season (can't remember) which can only be done in matches, tactical subbing happens everywhere, the 7 day rule will prevent it, not completely but probably by over half and without punishing the other teams.

for cup yes, fbl yes but not the league and for the record the Super League is my favourite as its running smoothly and not going overboard with unneeded rules.

The best thing I can say about the 7 day rule, is that, many captains will leave fixtures alone as they no if they do make a sub on the 7th day and that fixture doesnt get played in those 7 days then it will go against him big time. It's easier for captains to leave fixtures in hope that they get played quicker Quicker the games, less of the headache

if u sub out you can only come back int ur own game as were posted here earlier,captains will always pick there best players aswell as keeping everyone happy, thats what being a captain is all about, there should be mnop probs at all , if this were to happen

I do not have any issues with tactical subbing, but it can be hard to prove actual match fixing.

What can be done is prevent people making subs for a certain time period to avoid immediate sub making for following reasons (this is an example only and by no means a dig at either clans)

fixture released, game is hardy202 vs dgeneratio, now Underdogs are a pretty easy game for a top clan like Snooker Squad, to maximise points Snooker Squad decided to sub in whocares8x8 (and lets face it, Seb is a freaking machine) after 2 hours of the games being released. This is BLATANT match fixing. If Seb was not allowed to be subbed in for 7 days, other games would have been played and maybe SS would see that they don't need to make a sub to win the fixture.

However tactical subbing is when is it the defining game of the fixture, I completely understand making a sub to try and get the win.

By all means play for the win, that is the whole point, but do it in a fair and fun way and not use underhand tactics.

@ derik

no they don't, for example Seb always chooses the best players for the top teams and the weaker teams others get to play but he always tries to even it out for every clan member.

if you want to pick best players all the time you may as well have a clan of 8 players with no subs.

in fact lets stop tactical subbing, lets drop from 16 to 8 players and you can't sub in the fixture, that will solve things...

That'd make you clanless then

not sure where my post went, did u read the post dgen quote, captains will always pick there best players as well as trying to keeep everyone happy, int that same as what u said

not bothered really