the real issue here is this league has done great this season to get defaults to its lowest ever possibly

and now uve got ppl wanting to dramatically change things.

i would suggest more time spent trying to play games rather than preparing for defaults, the fun element is going and the professional default preperation experts start playing their games immediately...

these fixtures are from day 1 to 14, not from 1 to day 7
people have lives away from funky pool as long as people agree to make a sub on or at a time and its agreeable to the other player where is the problem,, whoops we know the problem the default preperation experts

the rules state both teams make effort, it dosnt sat lets try for a defaults from day one

clan pool is changing, i remember dgen saying to me in a very clear manner dont post everyday regards getting games played.

a certain clan is demanding a sub 3 times a day, very nice their player agreed we would make a sub tuesday both the player and myself have agreed this

so why does the professional default expert carry on

this isnt in the FCL
but makes no difference what league its in,, its default related ,, i think a time has come were we acknowledge the work the league does, and applaud it and support it

i also know the proffesional default experts will have their say, its the same ppl on here banging the drum ,,,

well done to the FCL for having record low defaults...

Unfortunately we don't have surveillance capabilities.
At some point, you'll be found out though, if you never show up when your opponent is online!
Your opponent should arrange a specific time with you, then you have no excuse of not logging on.

yeah even if you have a computer this can happen so doesn't change anything, mobile, computer, ps3 it doesn't really matter but if you can't log in when arranged it goes heavily against you or should.

and yeah craig i did say that once to a member of your clan as at the time was nagging opponents to play each day, i think hes calmed down a little bit since then but same can be said for asking for subs unless its the second week or hugely inactive (10+ days).

you can't force people to stop as they have their own way to run things and organise games but normally i recommend 2 days inbetween sessions (unless its second week) as then it doesn't look like your harassing the opponent.

my only fear is what if a clan uses this as a tactic to get the active clan to sub as if they don't they are penalised?

not having ago at anyone with that statement either

Been thinking about how we keep having clans folding and coming back and we end up with unbalanced leagues.

UT being in Div 2 this season being an example.

For next season if we get 10 clans entered, all 10 clans play one game against all other clans.

When this is complete the top 5 split and play each other twice and the bottom 5 do the same.

This means both leagues should have clans of similar ability in them and should mean both leagues are competitive.

Would also mean that a clan like UT forming next season if they gain enough points in first set of games they could make up a top league with SS, MVP etc

Stops the divison 2 teams getting these big losses against clans like UT as they should be playing clans with similar level and makes them have something to play for. And would make the top league as competitive as possible with big games every week.

Yes it extends the league but surely its not a bad thing if it stops the unbalanced leagues we have had for a few seasons now.

Thoughts?

That's a great idea it really is a fantastic idea Keith in glad someone has finally suggested it :-).

Cracking suggestion horse

I for one would be totally willing just need all others aboard

I am sure some will oppose it as why should new cleans get to top league etc. but i think having even leagues is far more important

Seems like a good idea, only downside I can really see is that a div 2 team can work hard all season and then not be guaranteed a shot at div 1.

The idea is good, but this would be a reaaaally long season.
9 fixtures in the first round and then another 8 fixtures after that.
That's 17 fixture sets compared to the usual 8-10 we have.

The longer the season goes on, the more you risk clans folding.

That is 17 fixtures and therefore realistically 18 weeks (four and a half months). I think history shows that is too long for some clans to stick together.

If the aim is to make equal leagues then why not just bite the bullet and put a new team straight into Division 1 if that is clearly where they should be. If there is any doubt whether they should be in Division 1 then they go into Division 2.

Where is the argument when you already have clans who might have gone into Division 1 electing to stay in Division 2 and now being joined by 'Division 1' teams anyway?

Is there any point in promotion and relegation then if keiths idea is to be allowed?

Why tamper with a system that as worked for 16 seasons now (when theres been enough clans)?

Easy to get around the length of time.
Drop it down to 4 or 5 players per fixture, release all the fixtures at once and give it say 3 week fixture. Or pit the new clans against each other, winner plays 2nd place div 2 in a playoff for top spot.

Quite a radical change to the league.....

As much as I love the idea there has goto be some other way to decide what league a new team should go into really as someone pointed out its a bit unfair that a division 2 team
Might not get promoted.

Just so everyone knows this has nothing to do with UT wanting to move anywhere we are happy to stay in div 2 and prove ourselves in that division before attempting our shot at the lot next season :-).

I think it should stay the way it is, new clans should always start in Div 2.

Hate the idea, you have to earn your place in the first division through promotion. This is the only deterrent we have for teams constantly folding and forming new clans each season.
There is nothing wrong with the setup of the league and the fundamental that new clans start in the second division shouldn't be messed around with.
Clans can stick at it and improve keith.
Only Untouchables reforming this season, 6 teams in the second division and 2 go up...what's the problem?

I not to keen on this idea myself either, it makes my job a lot harder to sort it all out and the way it has been explained would just make the league longer, cutting down the games per fixture won't work either. The league has been 8X8 for as long since i have been playing competitive pool on this site.

Any team can re form and get division one standard players as long as you got about it the right way and say what needs to be said.

i don't think returning clans should be rewarded either even if that division isn't the right one, when you fold you lose the right to remain in division 1 and when you return you start at the bottom like any team would do.

If they are that good they would be in Division 1 the next season anyway

the case with Vipers was different as they earned the right to choose.

Funnily enough though that is exactly what does happen. They go into a league where they are superior, win and celebrate some 'major' success.

They are not being rewarded that though are they, they compete through the whole season to get to their and earn there right to play in the division one.