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18:20 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I play killer constantly and the only time the order messes you up is when you have
terrible player > strongest player > you

shouldn't be a terrible player in these and if they're looking for that order then you get it reversed in the rest of the order.
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18:25 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Other suggestion is if a team tries picking the order by leaving and coming back don't allow it and say
'We set up a game room invite everyone and play that order'
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18:28 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
We might have to add to the rules you play in the order it happens.
zantetsukenz
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18:28 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
^ I wouldn't have allowed that if I was in, unfortunately the game was started without me and I started another game. My apologies to cool_dude and the rest of Uprising. It won't be happening in any game I'm in.

I'd suggest if it happens again then the other team just click watch until they agree to play with whatever order comes up.
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18:31 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Thank Zak I expect nothing less from Harry tbh with you but the game should be played in a sporting manner and we will have to add stuff to the rules to avoid these things happening in the future we didn't say IT would be perfect this season but we will certainly try our best :-).
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18:32 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
We might have to add to the rules you play in the order it happens.


Yeah definitely should be done that way but hard to enforce as a rule though mate.
Other thing I noticed was when it's a friendly you don't get the top 4 on your results just the winner which is annoying.
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18:33 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Well you don't need it on the results you only need the winners really as people should know the top three in a game
cool_dude
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18:36 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
^ I wouldn't have allowed that if I was in, unfortunately the game was started without me and I started another game. My apologies to cool_dude and the rest of Uprising. It won't be happening in any game I'm in.

I'd suggest if it happens again then the other team just click watch until they agree to play with whatever order comes up.


No problem, I doubt you would be the only team to do this. Hard to be sporting about things when you play stupid kids like Harry in these games

Anyway I brought this up for the discussion as this is seriously going to decide fixtures for this season, maybe even who wins the league.
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18:37 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Well you don't need it on the results you only need the winners really as people should know the top three in a game


When you have things like this happening it makes you wonder if you will get a dispute with who finished where at some stage though.
Can't see 3 people being that sad to lie to get a point but again I never thought people would stoop to manipulating the order.
zantetsukenz
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18:43 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
It should be posted immediately so any disputes can be sorted straight after the game. Printscreen's of the top 3 would work, or whenever it is just players from one clan left.
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18:50 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Yeah printscreens would work if there is any doubt in your mind that the opponents might try something on.
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18:56 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Does anyone follow what I am saying about the order not mattering though?

FBL: latin legends vs uprising

killer:

1st - pumas64 (latin legends)
2nd - w_hoolahan (latin legends)
3rd - straightline (latin legends)
4th - run_outt (uprising)
5th - cool_dude (uprising)
6th - walktall (uprising)

score: latin legends 6 - 0 uprising

yes we make a good team. harry leaving str8line some very easy safes up to kill walktall. i kill cool_dude then i kill a very stubborn run_outt who did well to stay in game for so long. game over!
real team work


great gameplay team!


From that I can see the order was
w_hoolahan > straightline > walktall > pumas64 > cool_dude > run_outt

mark gets to set up safeties for run_outt to kill blaze exactly the same as harry gets to do for blaze to kill walktall.
dgeneratio
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19:03 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
i do think though if people leave during the game it counts as an elimination so if all team left due to order it would be an automatic 6-0 win.

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also would this maybe class as unsporting as not played in spirit of the game?
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19:05 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
I thought the order was arranged when everyone had clicked play anyway or am I wrong there?
dgeneratio
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19:07 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
order is always random.
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19:12 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
May call for a scientific league runner's experiment here but i'm 90% sure that the order shown along the top before people click play changes after they have clicked.
bluenose1872
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19:21 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
It does change Lee mate. Think i have only ever seen it be the same once.

It would be hard to enforce such a rule to stop people picking the order they want but at the same time it should be done as it i meant to be random.

If it is implemented into the rules then im sure Lee will send it to us to add to the website when he writes it up . I agree that team work is very important in this type of game, even in a normal game sometimes team work is used and you team up to get the strongest player killed. Cant stop that and it shouldnt be stopped, would be no fun then.
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19:46 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
Well if nobody can manipulate the order because it is drawn randomly after people have all clicked play then we don't need a rule.

All's fair in love and killer
cool_dude
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20:06 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
But what we had was their players clicking watch and join again until they got one they liked. Sad how far some people will go.
dgeneratio
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20:23 Thu 7 Jun 12 (BST)  [Link]  
If it happens frequently then ask for a neutral observer for each killer game a neutral which isn't involved with either team.

once you join room you should click play regardless of the order, if you click watch then play purposely then game should be 3 v 2 and so on.

so for example.

Player A/B/C vs Player D/E/F

Player B leaves and rejoins then because of trying to manipulate the order Player B is eliminated before the game starts.

but regardless of that its not a perfect system and one what probably can't be done but people should apply themselves the rule of fair play.
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