And you are Jem ??

A nobody to be honest your as new as i am to this site ,yet you are a mod? or league runner is it, your opinion don't count.

My opinion matters greatly when A) i am a captain of a clan, B) a member of the league, which gives me a right to post on the league discussion thread and C) an FCL League Runner...

...and sorry who are you, why single me out when so many post on this thread?

I havent read back through enough, im sorry for singling you out i now realise i shouldnt have done or said it like it did.

But i am also allowed my opinion and i will be letting it be known on here alot from now on.

im a league player too.

Brilliant comment!
At the end of the day, it's an online game that should be fun. If we're constantly having to push players and threaten to sub, it takes away from the fun of the league.
Of course we want as many games played as possible, but a few defaults really aren't the end of the world...

Shouldn't be any defaults, squads get bigger, every single rule gets changed to make it easier and easier to get games played but nothing changes.
You're just allowing teams to scrape by most weeks and totally implode in others.
When we had 12 in squads we had less defaults than now because captains had to take reliability into account now there are too many squads filled with players that aren't regulars on the site.

Yeah, but the pressure this talk keeps putting on players- then you include your whole "captains are terrible if there are any defaults" argument, it just takes any fun out of it. This is not the Premier League, nobody makes money off of this, nobody can invest as much time into it as a professional.
Let's just take it easy on the rhetoric a bit. If there are a few defaults, it really won't kill anyone. You just move on to the next set and try to play the games there.

There isn't any pressure. An hour a fortnight for a game, you only need half your players active to get them all played and some clans manage it season after season.
I really think that captains on here whingeing and getting rules changed left, right and centre so they can keep their squads of brilliant unreliable players is ruining the league.
Seriously you've now got
-Twice as many players as you actually need
-unlimited subs
-unlimited swaps
now we're getting no bonus for actually getting games played and captains saying it doesn't matter if games go to default.
Of course it matters, nobody has played to earn default points.

although i do think the 10-5 loss handed to unbeatables in the defaults was harsh as someone else on the panel would of give it 9-6 to i just dont understand how there could be that much difference really apart from did anyone really want us to win the league which we were very very close to doing, not saying for certain there was foul play there just saying i dont know how there could be so much difference in two peoples opinions in defaults.

Would love to know your definition of a few, how many did you have last set, i would say slightly more than a few

Of course we did. It won't happen this set, because it was a one-off (the reasons for which have been argued ). That's not what I'm talking about here anyway.

At the moment, people ask for subs after 2 days of a fixture gone by. Captains of other clans are pm'ing opponent players to pressure them to play, to tell them to ask their captain to sub in.
Turning a default into something evil- that the player and captain responsible for it is useless (the argument has been made numerous times), that players who have the occasional default don't belong in the league- that sort of rhetoric gives people nothing but grief and makes them want to leave the league.
I know it's done this for me at least. Considering the early responses to Rick's comment, I think others agree as well.

Everyone wants as few defaults as possible, but jeez- remember what we're talking about here. A supposedly fun league for an online pool game.

Seb no one should be chasing after a couple of days, but i do think something along this lines above ensures the majority of games get played.



Edited at 02:10 Fri 13/01/12 (GMT)

Won't happen in one game anyway as you have MVP

I always put it down to the captains seb as you know, they pick the clans, the teams and if players aren't around for a fortnight they should have plenty of reliable subs there.
If players aren't getting games done iregularly it's the captain's job to boot them and get them replaced...a lot will just keep giving quality players chance after chance and putting them in games when they're really unlikely to get them played then leaving them in all the way through in the hope(not expectation) that they will play them.

Just going to say this just now, i will look at the above in more detail soon though.

The default panel and forum is for the members who do the defaults only, none of what is put there should be any where on the forums, all it does is cause more hassle than its worth.

Just because you hand over information on a default that does not mean you totally deserve it, there is always two sides to every story.

Correct! ^^ Well said Jay!

So you're saying it depends on our opponent then? I like that logic- it would mean we weren't at fault

regarding defaults

seb makes this statement

At the moment, people ask for subs after 2 days of a fixture gone by. Captains of other clans are pm'ing opponent players to pressure them to play, to tell them to ask their captain to sub in.

is this the rule or is it one or 2 players were it happens im not aware of it ,,,, but i have one player who is over enthusiastic

but may i add somthing that maybe getting missed here
enjoyment, testing yourself and winning is what clan pool is about as many sports

but in many sports you have a pre-arranged time to play or take part. these games have 2 or 3 weeks to play,

what you have are keen, reliable and honest players who want to have fun and play a game,

my feeling is instead of moaning and twisting on about players contacting players, how about the unreliable, couldnt careless or inconsiderate players who show no respect to a player who is online able to play and gets messed about for a fortnight or 3 weeks putting themsleves out in the hope the other player may or may not come online and then a game goes to default finding themselves comming in for un-deserved citicism

the rules are bent to suit them, adding more players longer time scales, come on thats not enjoyment

my answer is simple for the greater enjoyment for the majority
is suspend unreliable players for one fixture set who show they didnt put alot of effort into getting the game played, not none i said not alot.

Edited at 12:29 Fri 13/01/12 (GMT)

this will discourage the more unreliable players and might for once stick up for players who sit night after night being messed about in the hope someone comes onto play.

how can sitting around waiting in the hope someone might come on be fair or enjoyable for anyone

to much said here at times, on sticking up for unreliable people, lets remember you join a team or a clan and you understand whats required if you dont ,, then leave that is simple

more fun required and testing yourself in game play

not testing your patience standing up for unreliable people

games played means less arguments which means more fun, get rid of unreliable players

just my oppinion