I agree with that, also if they have a logical reason to be subbed (e.g. urgent emergency/holidays).

It makes total sense. The 2 players had something arranged, then your captain go and does a sub without informing the player.

Why do a sub when something was arranged? Surely a good captain finds out prior to a sub if a game is arranged for a day and time?

i just think this is a rule that needs clearing up a bit, like a rule stating when a sub is made, that sub is final unless subbed again.

david5 was on at the time he was subbed in, so the game would of been played quicker, who would say they would be both on at that time, craig saw the oppunity to make the sub and he did im not sure why david5 and big_mouse dint play ech other.

The game would have been played quicker, yet it clearly didn't get played before the original game.

When players have something arranged, 90% of time, the game gets played at that specific time.

yh i get that bit m8, all im saying is when a sub is made on the official subs page it shud be final, just summit to look at in the future n it wud save all this.

That's fair enough, but for it to be final, all players involved should be messaged/informed, otherwise this case can easily happen again.

Right let me get this straight, big_mouse made a swap to get a game played and then two minutes later doubted2 makes a sub.

Craig how can you expect the sub or whatever to be reversed when your own player didn't even know he was subbed out of the game.

I also ask the same question as dgeneratio, would this situation have cropped up IF yetti had won the game, simple question which asks for a simple answer.

if you all saying that you was all on line at that time why did not one of you inform yetti not to play me
mmmmm cause yetti said nothing to me when we was in the game
when i ask him if i make the swap would u play me he reply sure pal
so what you are saying about yetti is a lair he was not notified that he was sub out other wise he would told me sorry pal iv be sub out that game
if the result was close the story would be different let be honest here ?

just one point to make out doubted2 you had all these players on line why did they not pm yetti or me the only one i had on ignore is you
the way you talk to me i have the right to and what you posted about me

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right people as much as i appreciate your oppinions
thats what they are im totally not interested in any of your comments

get back on topic please
the facts and i state facts are simple

but before i do

people seem to forget someone has said he he is biased makes stinging remarks and as part of the league staff ive got to ask how such a person who has already breached the league rules and didnt even apologise and was given a pat on the back from some league staff.,,,,,,,, can sit in judgement ,,,, a total joke

now again i will state facts

1) big_mouse made a SWAP......... FACT
a) i was on line ,, no rule states he needs to inform me
b) out of common courtessy should he have informed me ?the rules dont state that he does
c) very strange when big_mouse was in a straight final with me.
d) as a responsible captain i check and post on clan threads regulary
e) when seeing that a swap had been made some 2 minutes after i made a sub

2) i made a sub that is correct
a) i contacted david5 and informed i had made a sub
b) i posted the sub on shooters thread
c) i posted on TPA thread
d) i posted on the league subs thread
e) i tried to contact big_mouse in game, via pm , via offline message
f) not my problem if a captain has me and other members of my team on ignore .......this should be questioned

3) i made the sub because there is no rule to state i cant

4) please show me here were i have breached any rules not your oppinions i said rules

5) i made a sub with in 2 minutes of the swap
a) the match didnt play for over an hour fact
b) when i made the sub david5 was online
c) he contacted big_mouse to play
d) he was told the game was played
e) at no time was i aware this would be a problem

6) the following items may have a bearing
a) big_mouse posted on shooters thread he would not play cup games until his league fixtures.... FACT
b) please check yourselves as im not .. im wasting no more time
c) yetti the day before this fixture stated to me he wasnt playing well and asked to be left out of fixtures.
d) as a captain i said to him form is temporary class is permanent
e) i did on this fixture

7) facts

dont quote your oppinions anymore as im now bored

now show me the rules you state i have broken and only stick to the facts and the rules, stick to the topic ,,,,,

in answer to your question that seems to burn in peoples soles,,, why did i not inform yetti i had subbed him out

where in the rules does it state i need to,,, i posted on the official league thread that is all i have to

but more importantly someone keeps asking and saying the game was already arranged was it ?? and even if it was ,,,,, well ask yourself this why was i not informed it had ????

maybe... but i doubt it, i may have reversed my discision.... for the record i wouldnt david5 was able to play and online end of and that is my discision

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now finally there was over 2 weeks to play this fixture,,, fact
the league dosnt pick my team i do

this fixture wouldve been played within within hours of me making a sub

i broke no written rules

i now expect every sub to be questioned the same as i have

like hell will it

now a quick fact
i made the sub within 2 minutes of a swap being made

and followed the league rules

show me the rule that states i need to inform a player ive subbed out.

id suggest you stick to the written rules

i will rearrange this fixture with big_mouse as we have broken no written rule and id appreciate that this forum gets back on topic also

nb
for the record i quit the straight final in a rush as i needed to go on urgent family business, however i wont share that with you as it has nothing to do with you

i can have anyone on ignore i choose

bit of a differance melody,,, im not in a fixture with you, otherwise you wouldnt be

and its for this very reason you and another memeber of your team are and will remain to be unless there is a fixture between both clans

again no rule against it either

how can this be posted,,,,,,,,, and now show me what you mean totally laughable ........ you quote rules to meeeeeee

wetting my tenner pants

you of all people who admitted you break the rules and was supported in doing so by another league runner
your above comments are a joke ,,,,,,,

i did take him out straight away fact ,,,,,,,, and why not when the player himself asked me to the previous day,,, again i can make a sub if and when i feel ,,,,,,,,, do not get lost on the fact there is also 2 weeks left in this game

and big_mouse stated himself on shooters thread , that cup games will not be played until his league fixtures are complete

so dont hit me with delaying fixtures

maybe because of self admitted biased people like you who break league rules

90% another untruth but your good at that also

and another little fact david5 was also on line and the game got played over an hour later ermmmmm an other fact david5 was also on line

how can a person on the league default panel make such a comment

who cares that is totally hyperthetical and one i wont be dragged into,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i deal with facts ,,, and the facts are plain and simple i made a sub for the reasons i have stated above and broke no rules,,,,,

and are you saying that if yetti had won 12-3 rick wouldnt have said ooooops i didnt see the sub

again hyperthetical

lets stick to what was done and all threads were informed as per league rules

i really hope that clarifies your questions

but lets not forget no rules were broken and still 2 weeks to play this fixture

5) i made a sub with in 2 minutes of the swap
a) the match didnt play for over an hour fact
b) when i made the sub david5 was online
c) he contacted big_mouse to play
d) he was told the game was played

When you made the sub, david5 and big_mouse were online, Rick played yetti an hour after you posted the sub and say roughly an hour to play, so even tho they were both online david5 took atleast 2 hours to contact Rick, If I make a sub that early in a fixture period its because the opponent is online and I would be telling my player the opponent is on, contact him now to see if they will play.
Craig you mentioned yetti said the day before he wanted subbed out due to the way hes playing, why didnt you sub him out when he asked ?, and why didn't you inform him when you did sub him out ?, if you had this fixture wouldn't have got played by these two players.
Its unfortunate for Shooters but both these players played this fixture not realising you had done a sub so soon after Rick did the swap, so due to you not informing your own player he went ahead and played so I don't see why the result shouldn't stand.