That was under the rule as it was written and actually to be fair they were right.

But if you change it though, the question becomes 'Should a Completion Bonus be awarded? Yes or No?'
If anyone votes No they have to explain why and it gets discussed - call it a Completion Bonus Jury decision if you want rather than a Default Panel decision - as they are two separate things. If there is any merit to a No vote cast then it acts as a veto. Fortunately I don't think this situation will arise often.



This is to justify the awarding of a Completion Bonus though not simply to assist in a default decision. They are two separate things, although obviously linked. If you wanted to provide less info then you would still probably get a default score in your favour but wouldn't necesarily prove the bonus was earned.

Whichever way it is done, the starting position has to be that a Completion Bonus is not awarded where games that can be completed are not, with the burden of proof that it is due falling to the team who believe they merit it.

Edited at 19:03 Sat 10/12/11 (GMT)

the problem we have is there isnt enough people on the default panel from other clans

ive offered my services on more than one occaision

problem is until there are enough default staff,, to do the job it wont b done wont correctly or totally unbiased or as unbaised as possible

you only have to look now at the clans represented to see this

i like the idea of captains or at least 1 member of each team in div 1 do div 2 defaults and div2 do div 1

i think i have enough staff members at the moment but if i need anymore i will ask

if all captains sign up thats 12 members plus the current staff on top thats close to 20 which would be too many. i personally think around 8 members is fine.

just counted and we currently have 9 members so far so its enough.

Yes you have plenty but its obviously not working, you've already admitted having players on the panel doing their own defaults, yes it was straight forward but it still happened, also you have players deciding rivals defaults which aint right, the idea of div 1 players doing div 2 defaults and vice versa needs seriously looked at.

i wont be changing any staff members this season unless they deserve to be kicked out.

were all unbiased here me and seb said what we thought was right and valid comments from both sides so i don't think rivialism affects the results much.

i believe that asking one member from each team in the league to have a place on defaults panel is the best answer. as said before, they are only allowed input into the div that they are not in, surely it is fair for all teams then ? and then all the problems that are happening atm wouldnt occur

I'm still surprised that people think there were problems.
No one has complained about a single default decision.

The completion bonus was for some reason suddenly discussed on this thread (which it shouldn't be).

not too sure about that myself. anyways its for the new runners to decide next season.

we currently have 9 members. having the captains will increase to 19 members (well 18 if im not there) but anymore than 10 is way too many imo.

All I'm saying is players on the default panel shouldn't have a say on their own or closest rivals defaults, you've already admitted that happens, I'm not saying your biased but lets change this and stop any future accusation.

You wont have 19, the current default panel would have to step down to allow the captains on the panel. if they remain you will have more than one from some clans and that is already wrong.

Edited at 21:00 Sat 10/12/11 (GMT)

maybe it could stop on your own clan but why rival clans? surely all unbiased enough to make the right judgement?

example, clan xxx signs up to league we ask who is your rival clan? xxx: ermm everyone so because xxx rival is everyone they can't comment on any defaults or discussions.

doesn't seem right.

as has already been suggested, div 1 players do div 2 and vice versa, its the only fair way, are you saying you know everybody well enough to decide they are all unbiased ?, your good if you can tell that on an online pool site.

Whatever system you choose, you have to face the fact that there are no unbiased referees on here.
For example, if I was to be the rep for Snooker Squad, I might very well be (and these are just examples) biased against Top Dogs, because rubber_duck wouldn't join Snooker Squad;
against Shooters because Craig is their captain;
against Wolf Pack because dextr is "a dictator" (lol)
etc, etc.

it would solve a lot of problems on defaults, atm not all default staff comment on defaults. if each captain had a choice to, if they dont that is up to them. the predictions would be fairer though, and with a larger majority for default results would cause less problems surely ?

so runners cant comment now? so because bluenose is an MVP member and league runner, because captains sign up bluenose wouldn't get a say which is unfair.

i still think it would be same as now if not worse as all captains would be looking then could have an argument etc.

im still happy with the staff i have and i won't be removing anyone unless they done something seriously wrong. if the new runner wants to do it by divisions then fair enough i can sort the permissions out

How about 2 differenbt default panels?
One made up of div 1 players for div 2 defaults
one made up of div 2 players for div 1 defaults?

Think it's ridiculous we still get defaults regularly with double the amount of players needed to complete in each clan, 2 weeks to play and unlimited subs and swaps.
Sure you said something about punishing the clans at the wrong end of defaults james, did anything happen with that?

yep if a player has 2 defaults which has a 10-5 or worse scoreline then they are fixture banned for 1 fixture.

only 1 player (i think) who has that at the moment

What about teams at fault though? Could give a 10 point deduction for every 2 negative defaults or something along those lines.

thats easily sorted, don't make it captains, make it one player from each clan selected by the captain, if they choose themselves well fine.

why should the league runners get a say tho,your there to run the league thats why you have a default panel.

If this doesnt go ahead its because league runners dont want to lose some of that power they have lol