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zantetsukenz
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05:18 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
4 days ago, not 5 - was only in the fixture 1 day

subbed in rgj, the other choices were: 4 players who had been offline for over 2 weeks (now removed), 1 player who had been offline a week (fr33rid3r25), bazz who was offline 3/4 days, or flash_is_bac who you've complained so much about

you said yourself rgj was likely to get the game played - thats what we thought, and there was no one other than flash who had logged in since then who we could sub in for rgj


the point blank refusal to play (though wasn't a refusal to play) was in your match - not in crazzymadman's, it has nothing to do with it.

Again - you aren't the default panel, and you're only looking at it from your viewpoint

Again - we would've made that decision easy, as would other people who want to finish the games rather than just get the win any way possible
zantetsukenz
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05:19 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
Happens all the time though alan, was talking about it pages prior to this happening.
The player who has tried to play the game for 14 days gets subbed out in the last 2 hours because the other team finally has someone online and you don't feel like you can refuse.

Because it is refusal to play in a default situation
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05:33 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Zant don't be ridiculous you had an available player for 2 hours out of 336 but our player gets subbed out?
It's ludicrous and don't you dare talk about wanting to get the game completed and not caring about the win when the reason you have had no subs available is because you've picked the same 7 players in every game this season not giving a rats about your squad, then when you actually do need a sub surprise surprise they aren't around.
At our team everyone gets a game and who get's 2 gets rotated fairly, if someone had behaved like flash he would have been subbed out not swapped into another game while more days go past until 3 days to go.
You think you can take some moral high ground? I'm being honest and saying nobody would sub out someone who is going to get close to max defaults in the last 2 hours when you are 4 points behind in a game...pretend all you want.
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05:36 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
End of the day me or ang never made the sub so send it into defaults with all the information we have on us trying to get the game done for 14 days and your 2 hours effort and see the result.
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05:41 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Oh and flash_is_bac was left in the match for 11 days just because you swap him doesn't make it any less of an issue.
zantetsukenz
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05:54 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Zant don't be ridiculous you had an available player for 2 hours out of 336 but our player gets subbed out?

No, you're the one being ridiculous - we put in a hell of a lot more effort than 2 hours - the effort you put in was sending 3 messages and complaining about players when we made every effort to give you someone you could play - the amount of players we tried to put in (at your request) shows how little the result mattered to us

You aren't even looking into the information properly, so im not gonna bother anymore

End of the day, game was played - you've got another set to try and win on default now, good luck!
flawless
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06:06 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Seriously guys calm it down a bit yeah?

Send all your info in and im sure the default staff will check over everything and give a fair score. You are both never going to agree here so it is pointless arguing about it.
ab_rfc
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06:10 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
The only problem I have about subs is theres too many people shouting for a sub in the first 2 or 3 days of a fixture fortnight, I've even seen a captain ask for a sub on the fixture release day because a player was offline for a few days, why is this happening, we have 14 days to play, if a player is off for a few days give them a chance. yes inform their captain the player has been offline for a few days but theres no need to go shouting for a sub in the first week, make the captain aware and let them decide what to do.
zantetsukenz
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06:17 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
flawless said:
Seriously guys calm it down a bit yeah?

Send all your info in and im sure the default staff will check over everything and give a fair score. You are both never going to agree here so it is pointless arguing about it.


Its not a default, the game was played
flawless
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06:23 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Sorry tired not taking anything in.

I dont see the problem if the game was played
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10:54 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
zantetsukenz said:
Zant don't be ridiculous you had an available player for 2 hours out of 336 but our player gets subbed out?

No, you're the one being ridiculous - we put in a hell of a lot more effort than 2 hours - the effort you put in was sending 3 messages and complaining about players when we made every effort to give you someone you could play - the amount of players we tried to put in (at your request) shows how little the result mattered to us

You aren't even looking into the information properly, so im not gonna bother anymore

End of the day, game was played - you've got another set to try and win on default now, good luck!


Pah, you could have subbed in bazzacu or rgj when flash_is_bac refused to play and he and crazzymadman would have got their game done without us having to sub out our active player that was trying.
Yeah I complained about the swap because that meant somebody else on our clan was getting the guy who refused to play.
Anyway all done and dusted now took it too far because I was drunk
flawless
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10:56 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Cheers for that Lee, right can we please get back to what this thread is about like a rule or something please haha
dgeneratio
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12:41 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ab_rfc said:
The only problem I have about subs is theres too many people shouting for a sub in the first 2 or 3 days of a fixture fortnight, I've even seen a captain ask for a sub on the fixture release day because a player was offline for a few days, why is this happening, we have 14 days to play, if a player is off for a few days give them a chance. yes inform their captain the player has been offline for a few days but theres no need to go shouting for a sub in the first week, make the captain aware and let them decide what to do.

true i normally wait until beginning of 2nd week, i use 1st week as a guideline if you will.

now the game was played so no point talking about it really (lee and zante)
flawless
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12:52 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
James me thinks you should come online haha
dgeneratio
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12:57 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
lol got plenty to do before that, snooker defaults (again), updating new fixtures on site, updating current ones/subs etc.
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12:57 Tue 6 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
Happens all the time though alan, was talking about it pages prior to this happening.
The player who has tried to play the game for 14 days gets subbed out in the last 2 hours because the other team finally has someone online and you don't feel like you can refuse.


thats a cobras forte
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13:02 Tue 6 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
virtuosomuch said:
virtuosomuch said:
kev04 said:
virtuosomuch said:
kev04 said:
You're on 67 according to games I've got recorded, that's an average of 9.5

hairwascurly is on 101 in 10 games, averaging 10.1

andyw1 is on 86 from 9 games, averaging 9.6

bunrzybhoy 85 from 9 games, averaging 9.4

ab_rfc is on 67 from 7 games, averaging 9.6


im not, ive played every game!! look at the results and add them up


you're adding in defaults, they don't count towards the final result


surely it counts i was 12-1 up and he refused to play....


virtuosomuch said:
kev04 said:
It doesn't....


well surely that needs changing in a scenario like this???


kev04 said:
For next season it will be looked at


virtuosomuch said:
maybe just make the games that WERE played count?


kev04 said:
No, it was a default.


virtuosomuch said:
look at it this way, i could be going to win the golden cue and im losing 14-0 and refuse to play, those 14 games dont count and i still win the golden cue... does that seem right?
dgeneratio
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13:05 Tue 6 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
atm it is right as janmb removed it 2 seasons ago.

thats why i wanted to try out frames percentage as frames played will count.
flawless
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14:01 Tue 6 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Rule changes so far for next season

Bonus Points: Will be changed from 20 for win, 10 draw, 5 no defaults to
10 win, 10 no defaults, 5 for draw.

Cup: Will be 2 weeks with a fixture set break for defaults

Naming: Can be done with written permission from captain (if accidentally named just
talk with, then a warning if they do it the second time) then fully named at
end of season

ab_rfc's idea about why they was defaults to make captains aware which players
aren't pulling their weight.

Defaults Team:

2 days for messages as not everyone can be on the next day following the deadline

If 2 teams dont deserve a 7-7 (no effort both no activity etc) then defaults team doesn't have to use the full 15 points
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14:04 Tue 6 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
virtuosomuch said:
virtuosomuch said:
virtuosomuch said:
kev04 said:
virtuosomuch said:
kev04 said:
You're on 67 according to games I've got recorded, that's an average of 9.5

hairwascurly is on 101 in 10 games, averaging 10.1

andyw1 is on 86 from 9 games, averaging 9.6

bunrzybhoy 85 from 9 games, averaging 9.4

ab_rfc is on 67 from 7 games, averaging 9.6


im not, ive played every game!! look at the results and add them up


you're adding in defaults, they don't count towards the final result


surely it counts i was 12-1 up and he refused to play....


virtuosomuch said:
kev04 said:
It doesn't....


well surely that needs changing in a scenario like this???


kev04 said:
For next season it will be looked at


virtuosomuch said:
maybe just make the games that WERE played count?


kev04 said:
No, it was a default.


virtuosomuch said:
look at it this way, i could be going to win the golden cue and im losing 14-0 and refuse to play, those 14 games dont count and i still win the golden cue... does that seem right?


scratch that, i dont deserve to win the golden cue anyway, just played like a pleb against hairwascurly
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