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the_diamond
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18:49 Fri 2 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
bunrzybhoy said:
the_diamond said:
I personally think Golden Cue should be decided by personal frame difference. That way it cancels out getting a lucky week...


Can't you agree with above as I said, the average?

If it was difference, one lucky week can have a big impact. Like above the 13-2, 14-1 , 15-0 can add you +11 +12 +13 on to the difference.


Isn't the idea of the golden cue based on Golden Boot in football? So when Dzeko gets 4 goals for Man City in one game, and doesn't get a goal in the next 2 games, those 4 still count because he played well for that game. If it's based on the average, it'd be punishing a player who might have had a particularly good gameweek, then got unlucky in the next 2 gameweeks... lowering his average. Even if a player earnt a 12-3 win, played spectcularly, but then played poor in the next two games and lost 10-5/10-5, it would lower the average.
flawless
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19:00 Fri 2 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I'll leave golden cue up to James, way to much numbers there for me .

I was just browsing the clan cup thread and seen a small debate about the week deadline.

Personally i think a two week deadline on the cup fixtures would be very good and helpful.

It would be able to run equally with league games, if the schedule was put in place for the final of cup to end same day as the last league games do. Would also cut down the number of defaults during the cup and season ends on a specific day. Depending on how many teams pass the reliability games a schedule could be made up and i think it would work.
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19:01 Fri 2 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Golden cue is currently the average score for those who have played 5 or more games

Top Scorer is just a tally of the points earned by each player

Simple enough as it is, why change it?
dgeneratio
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19:01 Fri 2 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
im also going to include a break in cup for next season so we dont have to rush to do defaults like this time.
bunrzybhoy
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19:02 Fri 2 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
kev04 said:
Golden cue is currently the average score for those who have played 5 or more games

Top Scorer is just a tally of the points earned by each player

Simple enough as it is, why change it?



I agree, I like the way it's worked out now. I just put in an opinion to say not to change it..
dgeneratio
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19:03 Fri 2 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
bunrzybhoy said:
dgeneratio said:
dgeneratio said:
bunrzybhoy said:
I seen someone mentioned the Golden Cue should be won by most frames won? I disagree, say you have one day when you get lucky and win 13-2 14-1 15-0, if the golden cue is calculated by average frames won I think it is alot more accurate. Shows consistency, not some lucky wins..


My opinion!

it is already done on average but top scorers is there too



I know, but I'm sure I seen somewhere along here someone was suggesting for it to be changed to the most frames / difference?


If not, sorry, but then it's just an added opinion for future reference.

i put frames percentage

say you played 5 fixtures (75 points) and won 50 of them then the percentage is 66.6% (or 66.7% if rounded)
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04:17 Sat 3 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I dislike the golden cue format as a whole. Why should someone who played 5 games get a prize for something when someone who has played 12 or 13 get a mention for what is seen as a lesser achievement. For example Onevisit who has played 5 whatever happens should not get close to the folk who have achieved more in playing more games.

Top scorer award rewards both great play and consistent completion. Golden cue awards someone who could choose to play lesser players and sit out when they get a better player.
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04:29 Sat 3 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Clans have 15 players tokko in ours everyone gets a game each fixture and I rotate who gets 2 fairly.
Not all operate like that but haven't seen many people dodge decent players.
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04:32 Sat 3 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Back on the defaults again I think in the case of when a games started and one player leaves and can't/won't complete the other team should still get their bonus for no defaults.
flawless
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12:59 Sat 3 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Yes that does seem fair but could it cause problems i dont know.

James come online!
dgeneratio
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13:03 Sat 3 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
Back on the defaults again I think in the case of when a games started and one player leaves and can't/won't complete the other team should still get their bonus for no defaults.

it still goes to default though so i don't agree.

if this comes in i say half the bonus points not full as it wasn't completed to begin with

so instead of 10 for no defaults you would get 5 but imo if its not completed you shouldn't get any

Edited at 10:11 Sat 03/09/11 (BST)
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13:35 Sat 3 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Might go to default james but the other team can't do a thing and lose their bonus if someone decides to throw their rattle out of the pram and not complete a game.
Think it was the eights who had someone play 1 game in their clan match and get themselves banned...other team loses their bonuses hardly fair
dgeneratio
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23:53 Sat 3 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
true but i still think it defeats the objective of if a game doesn't get completed in any way shape or form it goes to default.

maybe half the points like i said as its not no defaults really.
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04:32 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Total joke...
crazzymadman vs ub3rnator
ipotalot vs flash_is_bac
original fixtures

8 days in flash point blank refuses the game, decides to play 3 hours worth of ranked instead.
Instead of subbing him out with bazzacu offering a week earlier to sub in they swap the fixtures.
Leave it till friday evening to finally sub out flash for rgj..he's offline 3 days till today we come online and crazzymadman who has tried arranging games for 14 days with 3 different players has been subbed out with 2 hours to go (not by me or ang)
They just convinced online players to play it, everyone can spout all their rubbish about getting it played but no captain would sub out someone who is going to get a close to perfect default in the last 2 hours of a fixture when the other team hasn't had an available player for 14 days...add to that it was the deciding match in the fixture.
Sorry but who are they to just grab someone online?! We picked a team our player has been available and messaging for 14 days...rubbish
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04:45 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
First of all... that wasn't the original fixture... you had swapped flash around before that

Bazzacu spent most of the next week offline - so would've had to be subbed out again anyway

The fixture was swapped on the wednesday with flash subbed out on the thursday - both times because of ipotalot complaining about flash

Subs don't have to be made by the VC or captain

I didn't convince an online player to play it - I had asked for a sub earlier and been ignored, then got pm'd a few hours later by one of your players saying that you had someone to sub in - and rgj was offline but i had bazzacu to sub in so i did

You wouldn't have had a near perfect default, and that is for the default panel to decide - which would've been closer than near perfect default with your refusal to play

Doesn't matter to defaults if it was the deciding match, priority should be to get the games played not to win - we did everything we could to get the game played

You're only viewing this from one side, and you've got facts wrong
ab_rfc
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04:49 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Sorry mate but if you want to blame someone blame your own player for subbing in, the other clan can only ask, up to the player if he plays.
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04:59 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
How about you show a bit of decency to a player that has been messed around enough and give him an opponent that plays the game in the right spirit out of the 7 willing players that you have at your disopsal and not palm off an unwilling player onto another of our clan in the process....too much to ask eh?
For a minute last night you had me fooled into thinking there was someone reasonable about


5 days ago took till 3 days ago to finally sub him out for an inactive player who was offline for another 3 days till today...he comes online and get's to play anyone he feels like because there is 2 hours to go??
You're seriously debating how the defaults would have gone?? 14 days worth of messaging your players, a point blank refusal to play, nobody active from your clan to sub in....you might have got 13-2 because you asked for a sub tonight and had someone online to play but nobody in their right mind would have subbed out a player who had made the efforts crazzy did to get this finished.
Might be wrong and comes back to what has been discussed on here but no defaults is 5 points a win is 20 as it stands we were 4 points behind looking at a whitewash on defaults....no captain on here would sub their player out.
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05:01 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ab_rfc said:
Sorry mate but if you want to blame someone blame your own player for subbing in, the other clan can only ask, up to the player if he plays.


True but surely has to be captains or vices who make those decisions else why have them
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05:10 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I think that comes down to each clan having their own rules on it, if thats how you want it to be you need to tell your players so when they are asked they can say "speak to our captain".
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05:15 Mon 5 Sep 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Happens all the time though alan, was talking about it pages prior to this happening.
The player who has tried to play the game for 14 days gets subbed out in the last 2 hours because the other team finally has someone online and you don't feel like you can refuse.
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