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00:01 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
chris said:
The problem you have with 'closed' default discussions is that you risk individuals with access to these discussions being able to supply information for consideration that cannot be seen by other interested parties to the default discussion (ie the opposing team), and consequently the truthfulness of that information cannot therefore be independently tested.

Ideally you need open default discussion forums - ie that can be read by all even if they cannot be commented on by all...

...Or else you need a representative from each and every clan in the closed default discussion forum.


can be done
dgeneratio
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00:05 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
which part?

Edited at 21:09 Thu 19/05/11 (BST)
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00:09 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
either part is possable in the website to be done,

but it would not be done without the permission of the league staff.

just stating both are possable and gd idea.
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00:09 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
open default or participation from all clans...although i know some may vote to benefit themselves but like to think not
dgeneratio
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00:10 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
i like to keep defaults private like its always has been.
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00:14 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
then how u going to stop all the back lashing.

i like the the idea people can view but not write.

or we need a small default panel and 1 default judge of independent view to over see the defaults panels view then give final decission.
dgeneratio
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00:18 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
its fine how it is, we give defaults based on info given, no biasm or anything as people involved in that clans default cannot post their prediction.

we can't stop backlashing, trust me ive tried for a year and still not been successful and never will.

there will be always at least one person who will disagree with defaults in each season.
dgeneratio
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00:20 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
on snooker we even comment on our own teams default and no complaints, maybe using only 6 points helps on snooker i dunno.
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00:22 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
well i think u be very silly not changing defaults,

and people do post on there own defaults,

but hey it only the view of little me .

hey james what if it a oppinoin by someone else.
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00:23 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
cant keep comparing pool to snooker they compleatly differant.
dgeneratio
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00:25 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
only information, not predictions.
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00:28 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
i dont know but all i do know is defaults going to ruin this league.
dgeneratio
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00:32 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
well 13 seasons of defaults and only a few complaints whats that tell you?

its obvious people will disagree eventually but only one or two each season isnt so bad.

all clan default team is unbiast we all posted predictions based on the information given.

you have 24 hours to send info past the deadline to send information.
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00:47 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
death_viper said:
well i think u be very silly not changing defaults,

and people do post on there own defaults,

but hey it only the view of little me .

hey james what if it a oppinoin by someone else.


they only post to tell people about infomation like messages
dgeneratio
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00:50 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
death_viper said:

hey james what if it a oppinoin by someone else.

id say the same thing.
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01:01 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
_k1rk_ said:
What a joke like. I think it's about time someone with some knack took over this league starting to all go one way.

what you mean by that exactly?

i just went by the info which was given.


_k1rk_ said:
Refusal? how is it refusal if i cant play, don't talk crap of which you obv dont know about, im happy to explain my reasons why i couldnt play but to say i refused doesnt mean a damn thing. What a joke like. I think it's about time someone with some knack took over this league starting to all go one way.


The problem seems to be that the info wasn't accurate, because of the private nature of the defaults Kev would've had access to what was put, to make sure it was accurate (plus him being on the defaults panel gives him the knowledge of what needs to be sent to whom or posted wherever) whereas evo's couldn't

And it looks like the reason why Cobra's ended up with the extra point needed, was because the information was misleading it appears

Public viewing (obviously not commenting) of the default information should solve this though, and 13 seasons of success isn't really much of an excuse to not changing something that may be exposed as a problem

^sort of like what Chris said above
whocares8x8
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01:21 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I do like the idea of public defaults without comments, if it is feasible.
It would have to come together with some sort of immunity from personal attacks that members of the default team will inevitably encounter. Any attack of a default member would have to result in some sort of punishment.
zantetsukenz said:
(plus him being on the defaults panel gives him the knowledge of what needs to be sent to whom or posted wherever)
I disagree with this one however. Every clan should send all information regarding defaults to the clan runner. Everyone knows this, whether they have someone on the default team or not. Most of the time it is just captains not bothering to send any info on or players not bothering to send messages exchanged.
whocares8x8
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01:23 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Again, not every default is perfect. Mistakes will be made. It wouldn't get any better or worse with different or more members on the team. They are pretty fair already, since different clans are represented (they compete already, so no bias).
If everything is really this competitive and comes down to every point, the solution would be to get the games played. Especially in this cup game, there were more than enough subs available to get the games done. No excuse I think.
This way we had to rely on a vague estimation of what the effort was like from both sides and guessed a result. That's all the defaults are and can be.... a vague guess. So get the games done
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21:13 Fri 20 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I dont really care about the default, in this case i don't like to made out to have refused to play a game, i had stuff on and when i realised i would not be able to play i asked to be subbed out for the benefit of the team, that's not refusing to play. It's just silly dreams made up by a guy desperate to get a win lol.
doubted2
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13:38 Sat 28 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
cant seem to find a thread for new clans wishing to enter FCL

so i will post here

on behalf of sharpshooters revenge i and my clan would like to take part in the forthcomming FCL season

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