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12:00 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
Either that or teams hold back a top player and deliberately send one to default to get a big win
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12:08 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
I don't think that would happen as the opposition would be daft to then choose that top player as their opponent.
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12:22 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
Misread that but can't see how that makes things fair, you still want people to try and fulfill the fixtures properly think it'll get far too tactical.
12:22 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
earlier matt said no need for that comment - maybe not but you have to admit last season with me, jan and kev running things they was hardly any arguments, yes some was my fault but mostly kennys, its the arguments on other clan threads what did this, nothing else.
cheers mate people dont realise how tough it is! how much of your time is used!
well i have experience if FCl need a hand ill offer it! - actually i do, i run my own clan league, ive ran snooker clan league ON MY OWN for 5 seasons no help except for defaults and i run 2 clans so don't come up with that one.
also i do fixtures AND defaults by hand, it takes me a good 2 hours to do both, pool had it easy tbh as it was all electronic and could do it in half the time.
when i had a word with kenny about his behavior as i expected kenny reacted back using the site as a weapon again, im feeling half disappointed as got no logs and lost electronic site but on the other hand im glad i can rely on a host i can trust and who won't shut site down at any moments notice.
as for defaults since we can't do it on activity anymore we need a new way.
Edited at 10:40 Wed 27/04/11 (BST)
cheers mate people dont realise how tough it is! how much of your time is used!
well i have experience if FCl need a hand ill offer it! - actually i do, i run my own clan league, ive ran snooker clan league ON MY OWN for 5 seasons no help except for defaults and i run 2 clans so don't come up with that one.
also i do fixtures AND defaults by hand, it takes me a good 2 hours to do both, pool had it easy tbh as it was all electronic and could do it in half the time.
when i had a word with kenny about his behavior as i expected kenny reacted back using the site as a weapon again, im feeling half disappointed as got no logs and lost electronic site but on the other hand im glad i can rely on a host i can trust and who won't shut site down at any moments notice.
as for defaults since we can't do it on activity anymore we need a new way.
Edited at 10:40 Wed 27/04/11 (BST)
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12:26 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link] I know i wouldnt do that it would be random, cant speak for others
chris said:
Surely the downside to that is if results aren't going your way and you only have 'weaker' players left in your last few games, or as subs, you will deliberately go for the default?
That way your 'weaker' player is guaranteed a game against their 'weaker' player.
Taken to the extreme then 'good' players drawn against 'weaker' players will never get a game?
That way your 'weaker' player is guaranteed a game against their 'weaker' player.
Taken to the extreme then 'good' players drawn against 'weaker' players will never get a game?
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14:32 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
Stop the league, never run it again.
1. Causes so many arguments and bannings.
2. The game was a lot nicer to play beefore the hostility brought upon through all this.
3. League runners arwe starting to dislike it now too.
1. Causes so many arguments and bannings.
2. The game was a lot nicer to play beefore the hostility brought upon through all this.
3. League runners arwe starting to dislike it now too.
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14:35 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
No way...i would personlly like to offer my help in running anything... i am on every day for a long time.. and i really enjoy helping people out, i have ben on here for almost 5 years, and i dont want to see the league dissapear!
14:47 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
mich said this because i told him what happened and how i feel, well felt for the past year and im just going to keep going but there is only so much i can take as im running 2 clans and 2 clan leagues (with Seb and Kevs help which is appreciated because without their help i may have not got this far)
last season i helped jan and kev with league and season before i ran 1 clan league and 2 clans and even then i felt it was too much for me to handle.
but as i said i will try to keep going and i don't know how kev feels but when i spoke to him weeks ago we was both stressed out with the arguments and running our own leagues.
last season i helped jan and kev with league and season before i ran 1 clan league and 2 clans and even then i felt it was too much for me to handle.
but as i said i will try to keep going and i don't know how kev feels but when i spoke to him weeks ago we was both stressed out with the arguments and running our own leagues.
14:49 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
Clans aint what they used to be anyway, people are growing bored of them and join with no intention of playing. Personally i think it's cos u got to many leagues with to many games. It's to much. Sack the FBL after this and it probably will help the cause. I been around for a few years now and iv never seen clans get this bad. It's not just the league thats failing it's clans aswel.
14:51 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
ive even considered quitting pool altogether at one time and focusing on snooker.
and yeah clans falling apart slightly, and ive lost a bit of interest its just league runner whats keeping me going.
its up to kev if he wants to sack FBL or not, i can't have a say in that department
Edited at 12:01 Wed 27/04/11 (BST)
and yeah clans falling apart slightly, and ive lost a bit of interest its just league runner whats keeping me going.
its up to kev if he wants to sack FBL or not, i can't have a say in that department
Edited at 12:01 Wed 27/04/11 (BST)
15:55 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
just a little idea for defaults, no one will want games going to default lol
I like the idea of no defaults, how about unplayed games carry over to the next week, captains from each clan get to pick an active opposing player to play the fixture, can be any player even one thats already played.
example:
team angry v cobras = 1 default
team angry choose kev04 from cobras
cobras choose poolbiird from angry
poolbiird v kev04
your right chris, so why not add that any clan that holds out for the default by making no attempt to play, not making subs and have no proof of contact between captains and players get hammered with a 15-0 default and possibly any other penalty, to be honest with good communication between captains, 2 weeks to play and 6 subs per fixture we shouldn't have defaults.
I like the idea of no defaults, how about unplayed games carry over to the next week, captains from each clan get to pick an active opposing player to play the fixture, can be any player even one thats already played.
example:
team angry v cobras = 1 default
team angry choose kev04 from cobras
cobras choose poolbiird from angry
poolbiird v kev04
chris said:
Surely the downside to that is if results aren't going your way and you only have 'weaker' players left in your last few games, or as subs, you will deliberately go for the default?
That way your 'weaker' player is guaranteed a game against their 'weaker' player.
Taken to the extreme then 'good' players drawn against 'weaker' players will never get a game?
That way your 'weaker' player is guaranteed a game against their 'weaker' player.
Taken to the extreme then 'good' players drawn against 'weaker' players will never get a game?
your right chris, so why not add that any clan that holds out for the default by making no attempt to play, not making subs and have no proof of contact between captains and players get hammered with a 15-0 default and possibly any other penalty, to be honest with good communication between captains, 2 weeks to play and 6 subs per fixture we shouldn't have defaults.
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16:05 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
Totally agree - and I do also feel that a little too much emphasis has been put on using stats to arrive at defaults rather than using common sense to see the bigger picture of what has gone on.
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16:50 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
I do agree that the FBL may be having a negative impact on the progress of the FCL, maybe it would be better to revert back to a single league at the end of the season
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Clans aint what they used to be anyway, people are growing bored of them and join with no intention of playing. Personally i think it's cos u got to many leagues with to many games. It's to much. Sack the FBL after this and it probably will help the cause. I been around for a few years now and iv never seen clans get this bad. It's not just the league thats failing it's clans aswel.
I do agree that the FBL may be having a negative impact on the progress of the FCL, maybe it would be better to revert back to a single league at the end of the season
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17:05 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
Building on that, why not widen the score range from the current 0 to 15 to -15 to 15?
With a default score of 0 being the normal base line score for what is considered an average attempt to get a game played. Therefore anyone making real visible attempts to get games played can start earning points whereas anyone that doesn't starts costing their team points. Each player's score being totally independent of the other.
Currently you can score points for making no real effort to play as we have seen and a 30 point spread, although huge, might focus the mind a bit more. It would certainly have given at least one fairer default outcome this season had it been in place.
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possibly any other penalty, to be honest with good communication between captains, 2 weeks to play and 6 subs per fixture we shouldn't have defaults.
Building on that, why not widen the score range from the current 0 to 15 to -15 to 15?
With a default score of 0 being the normal base line score for what is considered an average attempt to get a game played. Therefore anyone making real visible attempts to get games played can start earning points whereas anyone that doesn't starts costing their team points. Each player's score being totally independent of the other.
Currently you can score points for making no real effort to play as we have seen and a 30 point spread, although huge, might focus the mind a bit more. It would certainly have given at least one fairer default outcome this season had it been in place.
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17:12 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
be have james you as two faced as they come
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earlier matt said no need for that comment - maybe not but you have to admit last season with me, jan and kev running things they was hardly any arguments, yes some was my fault but mostly kennys, its the arguments on other clan threads what did this, nothing else.
cheers mate people dont realise how tough it is! how much of your time is used!
well i have experience if FCl need a hand ill offer it! - actually i do, i run my own clan league, ive ran snooker clan league ON MY OWN for 5 seasons no help except for defaults and i run 2 clans so don't come up with that one.
also i do fixtures AND defaults by hand, it takes me a good 2 hours to do both, pool had it easy tbh as it was all electronic and could do it in half the time.
when i had a word with kenny about his behavior as i expected kenny reacted back using the site as a weapon again, im feeling half disappointed as got no logs and lost electronic site but on the other hand im glad i can rely on a host i can trust and who won't shut site down at any moments notice.
as for defaults since we can't do it on activity anymore we need a new way.
Edited at 10:40 Wed 27/04/11 (BST)
cheers mate people dont realise how tough it is! how much of your time is used!
well i have experience if FCl need a hand ill offer it! - actually i do, i run my own clan league, ive ran snooker clan league ON MY OWN for 5 seasons no help except for defaults and i run 2 clans so don't come up with that one.
also i do fixtures AND defaults by hand, it takes me a good 2 hours to do both, pool had it easy tbh as it was all electronic and could do it in half the time.
when i had a word with kenny about his behavior as i expected kenny reacted back using the site as a weapon again, im feeling half disappointed as got no logs and lost electronic site but on the other hand im glad i can rely on a host i can trust and who won't shut site down at any moments notice.
as for defaults since we can't do it on activity anymore we need a new way.
Edited at 10:40 Wed 27/04/11 (BST)
be have james you as two faced as they come
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17:14 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
i dont understand how you say you lost everthing when site are up and running and hosted by another member on snooker, who offered there services as the host three other sites so whats your problem.
17:20 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
tbh i couldnt care anymore i just carryon so i dont let people down.
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17:27 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
well anyway i have transfered it over to shaun and he is deleteing my admin rights out and i want nothing to do with it,
shaun is only there as a host as he has no intentions of coming on to pool.
so up to u guys i done my bit i passed it over,
but james as for blaming me for all this its wrong but hey.
good luck fcl.
shaun is only there as a host as he has no intentions of coming on to pool.
so up to u guys i done my bit i passed it over,
but james as for blaming me for all this its wrong but hey.
good luck fcl.
17:29 Wed 27 Apr 11 (BST) [Link]
if you read back i said im to blame too but that was through extension.
and whos shaun?
and whos shaun?
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