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_kinggerard_
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11:03 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
mich said:
Thats why i put whether in pm or not, meaning yours was not in pm yet still said gg wp in game window befor it was over


Who's complaining about saying GG before it's over?
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11:05 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Well your original post said he pmed saying gg wp, anyhow im not arguing with you over a forum
spinner
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11:07 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Most things covered here already but just an old tip I haven't seen mentioned in a while - if you dont want to ignore PM's while competing, the click your opponents name and minimise the PM window before starting the match.

That way, even if they are a ranting PM spammer, they're doing it to themselves in your taskbar

(and if they are, when you're finished, send complaint and/or ignore as already mentioned.)
_kinggerard_
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11:14 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
_kinggerard_ said:
Sorry if there is already a thread about this.

I know naming and shaming isn't really appropriate, but in this case it shouldn't be, but I will not name and shame anyways.

I was playing two US 8 Ball ranked games, and in:
Game 1: I was on the black and he PM'ed me, causing me to foul and for him to tap the black in to win;
Game 2: It was my shot and I had a few balls left in easy positions to clear up and he was on the black. Once again he PM'ed and he tapped the black in to win again.

I think that is cheating. Does anyone else?

Please, could a Moderator or Admin deal with this situation.

Thank you,
_kinggerard_

Edited at 12:48 Mon 8/06/09 (BST)


Doesn't say anything about GG WP?
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11:15 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
I said original, meaning before edit
_kinggerard_
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11:19 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Before edited it, it was just the players name and I edited to take his name out.
janmb
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12:25 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
_kinggerard_ said:
I think that is cheating. Does anyone else?

Please, could a Moderator or Admin deal with this situation.



It's lame, bad sportsmanship, childish, pathetic, call it what you like, but it is not cheating.

The immediate solution is to 1) Ask him to stop (in which case continued messaging constitutes harassment), and 2) ignore PMs, either from that user specifically or while playing games in general. The latter can be found in the game options.

Another immediate solution is to minimize the annoying chat window instead of closing it... This makes further chatting from that user appear in the same window, rather than popping up on top of your game while trying to make your shot.
janmb
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12:28 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
bigmerv1973 said:
simple solution

take a screen shot of the pm he/she has sent

send it to admin

get them banned



Please never send screen shots - they will virtually never ever be considered proof here on funkypool - they are simply too easily manipulated to be useful as proof.

Instead, if you have complaints about a user, regardless of what/why, open a PM window for that user and use the SEND COMPLAINT button. That way we get logs of what's been written, both from the PM window as well public chat.


(and yes, I really need to learn to read through the entire thread before replying - well covered by both John and Dave)
clooneman
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18:05 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
janmb said:
_kinggerard_ said:
I think that is cheating. Does anyone else?

Please, could a Moderator or Admin deal with this situation.



It's lame, bad sportsmanship, childish, pathetic, call it what you like, but it is not cheating.


What? yes it is! Especially if it causes a PM window to obstruct the other player's game window and therefore put him/her off his/her shot. Deliberately putting a (virtually) physical obstruction in front of a player in the process of shooting is cheating, and any players that would resort to that behaviour, especially repeatedly, should be run out of the site.
madmiketyson
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18:07 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
spinner said:
Most things covered here already but just an old tip I haven't seen mentioned in a while - if you dont want to ignore PM's while competing, the click your opponents name and minimise the PM window before starting the match.

That way, even if they are a ranting PM spammer, they're doing it to themselves in your taskbar

(and if they are, when you're finished, send complaint and/or ignore as already mentioned.)


Thats exactly what I do, even when playing friends
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18:16 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
clooneman said:
janmb said:
_kinggerard_ said:
I think that is cheating. Does anyone else?

Please, could a Moderator or Admin deal with this situation.



It's lame, bad sportsmanship, childish, pathetic, call it what you like, but it is not cheating.


What? yes it is! Especially if it causes a PM window to obstruct the other player's game window and therefore put him/her off his/her shot. Deliberately putting a (virtually) physical obstruction in front of a player in the process of shooting is cheating, and any players that would resort to that behaviour, especially repeatedly, should be run out of the site.


agreed - it is seeking to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent
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18:20 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
no wonder you take an hour to reply to me
janmb
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18:22 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
clooneman said:
What? yes it is!


Normally, no it's not (despite how much I agree it should be)

A few things to keep in mind, to give this a little less black and white perspective:

1. We don't know (at least the first few times) that the PMs are written with the intent of disrupting the other player

2. The only current rule I can find that remotely covers this is harassment. Which requires there either to be bad things written, or continued messaging after being asked not to.

As much as I agree this sort of behaviour should be discouraged and stopped, we also need to maintain professional integrity. People are innocent until we have pretty solid proof otherwise - on funkypool as in real life alike.

clooneman said:
Especially if it causes a PM window to obstruct the other player's game window and therefore put him/her off his/her shot.


Technically, the writing player shouldn't be blamed for that - the real problem there is the PM window behaviour. We really need a middle road between outright ignoring PMs on one hand, vs. having them pop in your face on the other.

An option of having new PMs appear minimized (and without grabbing focus) would solve this nicely.

(again, I'm not saying the sending player isn't lame or isn't aware of what he's doing, but they are more the apparent effect than the cause in this case)



clooneman said:
Deliberately putting a (virtually) physical obstruction in front of a player in the process of shooting is cheating


It's lame, and it's poor game implementation, but no, unless you have already asked that particular player not to keep messaging you, I do not agree that it constitutes cheating. I refuse to let emotion get the better of me in cases like this one - when you get real technical and keep emotions out of the equation you often end up with a different conclusion entirely


clooneman said:
, and any players that would resort to that behaviour, especially repeatedly, should be run out of the site.


For repeated offenders I tend to agree, then again that's easier to handle as well since it clearly falls into the harassment category. A first offense case on the other hand is trickier.

And in both cases, the game is more at fault than the player - a slight implementation change would make this entire debate moot.
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18:38 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
That has to be a contender for one of the lamest arguments ever put forward jan


and i am upset because i normally try and come up with a few myself
janmb
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19:41 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Thanks for the contribution Chris
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19:43 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
You're welcome - don't think you're stealing my crown though
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19:53 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
The implication of PMs just flashing at the bottom of the screen similar to MSN Messenger would be a useful feature for the PMs, therefore, you would see that someone has opened a PM to talk to you, but it wouldn't distract you
clooneman
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22:03 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
janmb said:
clooneman said:
What? yes it is!


Normally, no it's not (despite how much I agree it should be)

A few things to keep in mind, to give this a little less black and white perspective:

1. We don't know (at least the first few times) that the PMs are written with the intent of disrupting the other player


From the example given, it is clear that the only reason the PMs happened was to interfere with the opponent. In fact, why would anyone want to PM someone during a game when they can just say what they want to say in the game window?

For the most part, the text in the PM window will probably be either "gg" or "miss".

janmb said:
2. The only current rule I can find that remotely covers this is harassment. Which requires there either to be bad things written, or continued messaging after being asked not to.


Maybe, I don't know, but the simple solution is to create a rule that says that taking advantage of aspects of the Funkypool messaging system in order to disrupt an opponent during a game is a no-no, and then proceed from there.
billmore
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23:14 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
When I first started on FunkyPool, the very same thing happened to me. I cant remember who it was and I was very new to the site. As I lined up to pot the 9 ball in the top left hand pocket, the PM box came up with ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and blocked my shot. I clicked it off and it came straight back. I lost the game and I couldnt believe that anyone would resort to such tactics.
I didnt even know how to send a complaint!
Its easy to stop though when you have been on this site a while and know what your doing.
But new players can get taken advantage of, its very wrong
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23:38 Mon 8 Jun 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Bad sportsmanship

Players that repeatedly commit offences that are not necessarily against funkypool rules can be punished as deemed appropriate. This includes private messaging your opponent to put them off.



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