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dave_c
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13:40 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
sm_rat said:
EDIT: Dammit Spinner, not again!

The last time you changed the random shot staff, the FP community weren't happy!

I imagine this getting as much publicity!

Yes that was a sad day indeed. I'm eager to see how well this goes after its launch tho, can't keep a good idea down!
janmb
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13:41 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
dave_c said:
I'm eager to see how well this goes after its launch tho, can't keep a good idea down!


Hear hear! The sooner the better!
ab_rfc
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13:45 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
this sounds like a great idea

Edited at 18:53 Sun 29/03/09 (BST)
madmiketyson
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13:48 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
soulassassin said:

*Does the 7 consecutive games mean 7 wins in a row in one game type or all? Just looking through my recent results I won 8 games in a row though in different games, and I know I personally am capable of winning more than 7 games along with anybody on the site having a good day. Also how does the system discern between games won in a tournament e.g. Marathon tournaments or having a perfect tournament.

*In my opinion a 50 point bar is too low and is discouraging for people who are on form. Also it will stop people from playing if they get near it (if they're even aware of how close they get to the 50 points which I doubt alot of people will be). I myself had a bad hour on 9ball and lost 30+ points i think so it's not diffult to lose 50 points at all. How does Killer fit into this as it's the easiest game to win 50+ points in a day and not sure whether the 7 consec wins are the wins on your profile because if you win 10 man killer you get 9 wins on your profile. Will your stats be reset?


Perfect tournaments will be banned under the new system
I have a counter on my PC that works out how many points I have picked up in a day so thats not a problem.
I don't think many people on the site have ever won 7 straight games without cheating, every time I win 10 in a row I have sent someone some money via payal beforehand

janmb
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13:50 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
madmiketyson said:
Perfect tournaments will be banned under the new system


Just like it ought to!
sm_rat
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13:50 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
madmiketyson said:
every time I win 10 in a row I have sent someone some money via payal beforehand




OMG! I thought I was the only one who did that!!
janmb
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13:51 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
madmiketyson said:
I don't think many people on the site have ever won 7 straight games without cheating


Hmm, just about everyone who has ever played YOU?
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13:52 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
madmiketyson said:
every time I win 10 in a row I have sent someone some money via payal beforehand



sm_rat said:

OMG! I thought I was the only one who did that!!



*Sits on a big pile of cash*

Mwahahaha!
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14:05 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
So I went through a shocking spell yesterday and lost 7 in a row, does that mean I get my stats reset?

I don't think you should automatically reset stats and stuff, just have the system to tell you that those people could be cheating.

Some people have lost 10-0 in clan matches, does that mean both people get stats reset?

I'm skeptical with this decision to be honest
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14:06 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
warney said:
I'm skeptical with this decision to be honest



As is everyone else
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14:08 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
I think this is an excellent idea! Many times in tournaments people have beaten me and gone on to win a perfect tournament. Its about time they had their stats reset for it!
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14:11 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Appreciate this Proposal, Really think Its too Lenient though.

Frequency Of Offenders Looks like it will be Stamped out!

robbean
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14:12 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
This sounds pretty good :D
keoghz
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14:12 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
So does mean that the likes of bastila and ex_champ and lady that who are easily capable of winning 7 or more in row will be reseted

I finally have a chance of getting on the overall table...

Like alex said i think 7 is too little 15 would be a good cap..
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14:14 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
Spinner is on the right track but I believe his ideas are a little off or need some clarification. If you beat 1 opponent seven times in a row are you reset or if you just win seven in a row are you reset? As someone stated above you can easily win 7 in a row in tournaments and gaining only 50 points in 24 hours seems unfair. Players like poolh8r and sachibub do this often as they play any rank in 9ball. I am a huge fan of catching cheaters as I have turned many in, but this idea needs a little changing.
clooneman
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14:16 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
So let's say I have these results in ranked games...
- Straight, 1 win against played A
- 9 ball, 3 wins against played B
- US 8 ball, 2 wins against played C
- Straight, 1 win against player D

BAM! Instant stat reset? I don't agree.

How would the system decide who (close) friends and relations are? So if joesmith_sr (aged 28) plays joesmith_jr (aged 10) in 6 tournaments in 3 days and has an aggregate win of 12-0, a stat reset takes place?

The proposal is

spinner said:
Current proposals are that users will have their stats reset automatically if :

* They win or lose more than 7 consecutive games in any discipline.

* They gain or lose more that 50 rank points in a 24 hour period.

* Play more than 5 ranked games against close friends or relations.

* Regularly lose to friends or relations if drawn against them in tournaments.


My suggested modification:

Quote:
Admin will be automatically notified, and users will have their stats reset automatically if cheating is deemed to have taken place, if:

* They win or lose more than etc.
madmiketyson
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14:21 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
warney said:
So I went through a shocking spell yesterday and lost 7 in a row, does that mean I get my stats reset?

I don't think you should automatically reset stats and stuff, just have the system to tell you that those people could be cheating.

Some people have lost 10-0 in clan matches, does that mean both people get stats reset?

I'm skeptical with this decision to be honest


keoghz said:
So does mean that the likes of bastila and ex_champ and lady that who are easily capable of winning 7 or more in row will be reseted

I finally have a chance of getting on the overall table...

Like alex said i think 7 is too little 15 would be a good cap..


cubs12 said:
Spinner is on the right track but I believe his ideas are a little off or need some clarification. If you beat 1 opponent seven times in a row are you reset or if you just win seven in a row are you reset? As someone stated above you can easily win 7 in a row in tournaments and gaining only 50 points in 24 hours seems unfair. Players like poolh8r and sachibub do this often as they play any rank in 9ball. I am a huge fan of catching cheaters as I have turned many in, but this idea needs a little changing.


All make very valid points, interesting to read
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14:21 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
The modification idea is better, I mean sometimes you have mates who are severely worse than you, you keep drawing them in tournies and you win them all, not cheating but punished
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14:21 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
it really worries me that people cant read the title of the thread!

it says logical comments only! pmsl


madmiketyson
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14:21 Sun 29 Mar 09 (BST)  [Link]  
clooneman said:
So let's say I have these results in ranked games...
- Straight, 1 win against played A
- 9 ball, 3 wins against played B
- US 8 ball, 2 wins against played C
- Straight, 1 win against player D

BAM! Instant stat reset? I don't agree.

How would the system decide who (close) friends and relations are? So if joesmith_sr (aged 28) plays joesmith_jr (aged 10) in 6 tournaments in 3 days and has an aggregate win of 12-0, a stat reset takes place?

The proposal is

spinner said:
Current proposals are that users will have their stats reset automatically if :

* They win or lose more than 7 consecutive games in any discipline.

* They gain or lose more that 50 rank points in a 24 hour period.

* Play more than 5 ranked games against close friends or relations.

* Regularly lose to friends or relations if drawn against them in tournaments.


My suggested modification:

Quote:
Admin will be automatically notified, and users will have their stats reset automatically if cheating is deemed to have taken place, if:

* They win or lose more than etc.


Cloon, the current proposal makes much more sense than yours!
Anybody who wins that many in a row is an obvious cheater, just face facts

Edit: Id quote warney again but hes a nice lad doing a degree at university
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