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07:02 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
I think... we should consider doubles tournaments rather than ranking tournaments
However, when i play a ranked game recently more often than not i tend to lose so i think of myself as off form, then i play in a tournament and either end up winning it or come close (and thats usually playing better more experienced players). So obviously for me it would be a big difference and i am against ranked tournaments
Edited at 13:03 Tue 6/01/09 (GMT)
However, when i play a ranked game recently more often than not i tend to lose so i think of myself as off form, then i play in a tournament and either end up winning it or come close (and thats usually playing better more experienced players). So obviously for me it would be a big difference and i am against ranked tournaments
Edited at 13:03 Tue 6/01/09 (GMT)
11:13 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
Not true. Can't determine how good a player is by this, example its much much easier to 7 ball / runout against a low ranked player. Less skill and less pressure on you. Also alot of players 'high up' play nothing but potty players. Infact i'd go as far as saying that you can't say anybody in the top 50 is a good player just from looking at their stats, you'd have to watch the gameand make judgements dependant on play rather than statistics :).
1_eye said:
When looking at someone's profile you can see how good they are from both ranking points, tournement wins as well as all the other little stats on a profile page!
Not true. Can't determine how good a player is by this, example its much much easier to 7 ball / runout against a low ranked player. Less skill and less pressure on you. Also alot of players 'high up' play nothing but potty players. Infact i'd go as far as saying that you can't say anybody in the top 50 is a good player just from looking at their stats, you'd have to watch the gameand make judgements dependant on play rather than statistics :).
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11:23 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
but u can go on snooker for smaller balls or the button next to chat room u can press that to make them smaller and its harder trust me
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If this happens, i'm positive a few 8 ball uk players would fancy there chances of winning ridiculous amounts of tournyaments for mega amounts of points. Myself included.
Its a good idea if the gameplay was changed, to make the game in general more difficult to play. Examples...
More weight - bigger table, small balls.
Different power generation, its SO easy to control the weight when you're using mouse.
More incentive to play aggressive. A stat on a profile just isn't enough to make me want to play for run outs.
At the moment, if this actually happened there would be 4-5 players winning every 8 ball tourny. Nobody else would even get a look in to be honest with you.
Its a good idea if the gameplay was changed, to make the game in general more difficult to play. Examples...
More weight - bigger table, small balls.
Different power generation, its SO easy to control the weight when you're using mouse.
More incentive to play aggressive. A stat on a profile just isn't enough to make me want to play for run outs.
At the moment, if this actually happened there would be 4-5 players winning every 8 ball tourny. Nobody else would even get a look in to be honest with you.
but u can go on snooker for smaller balls or the button next to chat room u can press that to make them smaller and its harder trust me
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14:28 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
Not true. Can't determine how good a player is by this, example its much much easier to 7 ball / runout against a low ranked player. Less skill and less pressure on you. Also alot of players 'high up' play nothing but potty players. Infact i'd go as far as saying that you can't say anybody in the top 50 is a good player just from looking at their stats, you'd have to watch the gameand make judgements dependant on play rather than statistics :).
OK, but isn't beating people consistently regardless of rank the whole point of the game??
Look at Squeezy's profile to see what I mean. That man plays anyone yet still has a massive win rate over a long amount of years, which tells me he is one of the best to ever grace this game. Not to get in an argument over who's is the best - there's plent of threads out there, however holistically speaking, if every player takes part in everything availiable there are tables to show how good they really are!
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1_eye said:
When looking at someone's profile you can see how good they are from both ranking points, tournement wins as well as all the other little stats on a profile page!
Not true. Can't determine how good a player is by this, example its much much easier to 7 ball / runout against a low ranked player. Less skill and less pressure on you. Also alot of players 'high up' play nothing but potty players. Infact i'd go as far as saying that you can't say anybody in the top 50 is a good player just from looking at their stats, you'd have to watch the gameand make judgements dependant on play rather than statistics :).
OK, but isn't beating people consistently regardless of rank the whole point of the game??
Look at Squeezy's profile to see what I mean. That man plays anyone yet still has a massive win rate over a long amount of years, which tells me he is one of the best to ever grace this game. Not to get in an argument over who's is the best - there's plent of threads out there, however holistically speaking, if every player takes part in everything availiable there are tables to show how good they really are!
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17:01 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
When England play an Autunm international against Australia (rugby) you think they go all out with team selection and put life and limb on the line?
thats for world rankings lol.
but reagardless, if you see tournaments as firnedlies or not, we all have different opinions.
I think that the way it is, its fine. You get a big annoucnemnet to the whole chat room and beyond, it goes on your profile and everyone can see how many of a particular tournament you have won when they look at the draw.
thats plenty of a reward in my mind.
If it aint broke, dont fix it.
Its not broken, so we shouldnt fix this.
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When England play an Autunm international against Australia (rugby) you think they go all out with team selection and put life and limb on the line?
thats for world rankings lol.
but reagardless, if you see tournaments as firnedlies or not, we all have different opinions.
I think that the way it is, its fine. You get a big annoucnemnet to the whole chat room and beyond, it goes on your profile and everyone can see how many of a particular tournament you have won when they look at the draw.
thats plenty of a reward in my mind.
If it aint broke, dont fix it.
Its not broken, so we shouldnt fix this.
18:27 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
I'm against it. Maybe I'm being selfish cos I'm happy with my 800 points in 8 ball US and ULK and 9 ball but what if I play a 650 player in round 1 of the marathon and win 3-1? I'll be below 800 (or any other rank for that matter). Not really fair, is it?
It's commonly accepted that most players of high rank will not play ranked games against players of really low rank in the off chance that they might lose a game for whatever reason (foul on black, leaving 9 over the pocket, etc). Having to forcibly beat a player 3-0 (as opposed to 3-1 or 3-2) in a tournament just to retain your ranking points is unfair.
On a side note, I hope that people haven't confused the meaning of "friendly" when saying that tournament games are friendlies. They are friendlies insofar as they are not ranked; but they anything but friendly in fact, because there is a tournament at stake. And that takes me back to the previous point; double-loading tournament games with both the tourney and ranking points at stake is nasty business.
If it goes through, people would stop playing tournaments or only play speed tourneys (one defeat and then happily there's no more games to lose).
It's commonly accepted that most players of high rank will not play ranked games against players of really low rank in the off chance that they might lose a game for whatever reason (foul on black, leaving 9 over the pocket, etc). Having to forcibly beat a player 3-0 (as opposed to 3-1 or 3-2) in a tournament just to retain your ranking points is unfair.
On a side note, I hope that people haven't confused the meaning of "friendly" when saying that tournament games are friendlies. They are friendlies insofar as they are not ranked; but they anything but friendly in fact, because there is a tournament at stake. And that takes me back to the previous point; double-loading tournament games with both the tourney and ranking points at stake is nasty business.
If it goes through, people would stop playing tournaments or only play speed tourneys (one defeat and then happily there's no more games to lose).
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18:38 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
If it goes through, people would stop playing tournaments or only play speed tourneys
i would wait until the 2 minute mark and see how many players and what type of players are there if it was ranked.
in ranked, we all have our choosings of opponents. in friendlies, we dont really mind who we play as its risk free. so keep tournamanets risk free to avoid possbile mass drop outs.
Edited at 00:38 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
clooneman said:
If it goes through, people would stop playing tournaments or only play speed tourneys
i would wait until the 2 minute mark and see how many players and what type of players are there if it was ranked.
in ranked, we all have our choosings of opponents. in friendlies, we dont really mind who we play as its risk free. so keep tournamanets risk free to avoid possbile mass drop outs.
Edited at 00:38 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
19:57 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
Personally (so dont grab and run with it as a "site" idea) I'd like to see more variation in tournaments.
A few ranked tournaments, some tri-discipline tournaments, special one-off's like mega marathons, the previosly popular reverse tournaments etc. Then, long term, you drop those options which prove unpopular and go with those that are popular, but or nothing more than "special attractions" on an occasional basis.
That way you maintain the status-quo, but make things more interesting at the same time.
At the end of they day, it is a purely personal choice as to which statistic proves most meaningful in overall skill. To me, it's win percentge (assuming a user has player a few thousand games), rank is a different thing altogether, and the max rank a player has is my indicator of what they can do when "in the zone", also a very impressive statistic.
Then you have tournament wins. Another very meaningful statistic as it shows a players consistancy against a range of opponents.
So, to get back on topic : yes, why not have infrequent, or a trial, of ranked (or any other tournament type) and see how it goes!
Edited at 01:59 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
A few ranked tournaments, some tri-discipline tournaments, special one-off's like mega marathons, the previosly popular reverse tournaments etc. Then, long term, you drop those options which prove unpopular and go with those that are popular, but or nothing more than "special attractions" on an occasional basis.
That way you maintain the status-quo, but make things more interesting at the same time.
At the end of they day, it is a purely personal choice as to which statistic proves most meaningful in overall skill. To me, it's win percentge (assuming a user has player a few thousand games), rank is a different thing altogether, and the max rank a player has is my indicator of what they can do when "in the zone", also a very impressive statistic.
Then you have tournament wins. Another very meaningful statistic as it shows a players consistancy against a range of opponents.
So, to get back on topic : yes, why not have infrequent, or a trial, of ranked (or any other tournament type) and see how it goes!
Edited at 01:59 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
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20:05 Tue 6 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
good point spinner.
I would love to see some varyation in the tournaments. And maybe a one or two day trial of ranked tournaments (selected ones only - not all) may be good as well.
I have previously suggestied a triathlon tournament, but not many seemed interested.
How does a reverse tournament work? Ultra Marathons would be awesome...it would go for like 3 hours
I would love to see some varyation in the tournaments. And maybe a one or two day trial of ranked tournaments (selected ones only - not all) may be good as well.
I have previously suggestied a triathlon tournament, but not many seemed interested.
How does a reverse tournament work? Ultra Marathons would be awesome...it would go for like 3 hours
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05:58 Wed 7 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
I'd like to see stuff like this, as it is now the tournaments are too 'routine' in my opinion.
Although the addition of the straight tournaments has spiced it up a little.
Even so, more variation could be nice.
spinner said:
Personally (so dont grab and run with it as a "site" idea) I'd like to see more variation in tournaments.
A few ranked tournaments, some tri-discipline tournaments, special one-off's like mega marathons, the previosly popular reverse tournaments etc. Then, long term, you drop those options which prove unpopular and go with those that are popular, but or nothing more than "special attractions" on an occasional basis.
A few ranked tournaments, some tri-discipline tournaments, special one-off's like mega marathons, the previosly popular reverse tournaments etc. Then, long term, you drop those options which prove unpopular and go with those that are popular, but or nothing more than "special attractions" on an occasional basis.
I'd like to see stuff like this, as it is now the tournaments are too 'routine' in my opinion.
Although the addition of the straight tournaments has spiced it up a little.
Even so, more variation could be nice.
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17:06 Wed 7 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
You can't.
Only a moderator or Admin can cap it.
Only a moderator or Admin can cap it.
17:08 Wed 7 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
So instead you take old threads that are perfectly fine and bring them to a mod's attention so that can be capped.
Take a bow. Nice one.
Edit: You trying to get this one capped too?
Edited at 23:08 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
toenails said:
how do u cap a thread
So instead you take old threads that are perfectly fine and bring them to a mod's attention so that can be capped.
Take a bow. Nice one.
Edit: You trying to get this one capped too?
Edited at 23:08 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
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17:17 Wed 7 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
It would appear so.
Strange.
Edit: By the way Cloone, I just answered your question
Edited at 23:17 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
clooneman said:
Edit: You trying to get this one capped too?
Edited at 23:08 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
Edited at 23:08 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
It would appear so.
Strange.
Edit: By the way Cloone, I just answered your question
Edited at 23:17 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
03:12 Thu 8 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
cloonemanEdit: You trying to get this one capped too?
Edited at 23:08 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
Me trying to get it capped has nothing to do with you because i made this thread.
Edited at 23:08 Wed 7/01/09 (GMT)
Me trying to get it capped has nothing to do with you because i made this thread.
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05:34 Thu 8 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
I would like to see a no pro or mod tourny just cause i havent won a tourny and when the likes of jimfaebod ex_champ ladysapphire crazzy kev and many more are in a tourny u know u aint got a chance and it would be nice for ppl like myself just to get one tourny win on the board.
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06:52 Thu 8 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
keep on practicing pot_the_lot,you will get there
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08:06 Thu 8 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
LOL ty cant believe i drew u twice in tourny beaten twice too lol
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10:41 Thu 8 Jan 09 (GMT) [Link]
Problem with this one is that fake newbies can enter as well, and there are some top players who barely play ranked who could win it easily.
pot_the_lot said:
I would like to see a no pro or mod tourny just cause i havent won a tourny and when the likes of jimfaebod ex_champ ladysapphire crazzy kev and many more are in a tourny u know u aint got a chance and it would be nice for ppl like myself just to get one tourny win on the board.
Problem with this one is that fake newbies can enter as well, and there are some top players who barely play ranked who could win it easily.
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