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Deleted User
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14:05 Tue 18 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
Posting under multiple accounts on the forum will lead to any secondary or higher usernames being banned.

Does this mean anything?, Its obvious who is posting under multiple accounts on the forum, so I think you should do what the rules say, they are rules for a reason.
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14:31 Tue 18 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
i think providing there not using multiple acounts to abuse the system there is relay no need to ban anone
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17:24 Tue 18 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
I have pointed this out many times, yet so often the response is "as long as a player is not abusing the system its ok"..

Well surely, as playerx points out, breaking a fundimental rule is abusing the system!!

An (Ironically) deleted user posted an excellent "guide" in this thread http://www.funkypool.com/viewTopic.do?topicid=7265&page=2

That statement "One name, One game" says it all.

Well said playerx maybe this time something will be done...
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17:27 Tue 18 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
i agree with ison, i feel that users should only be banned if they are abusing the system.
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17:36 Tue 18 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
So are you saying that breaking the rules of the website is not abusing the system?

Please dont be silly.

These are the rules we all agree to by signing up, and all rules should be applied fairly.

If people swear or break other rules, they get banned, so why not this one.
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18:46 Tue 18 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
i didn't say anything.
player_x did.
And you have a fair point, although i think the problem is really only with the wording.

Posting under multiple accounts on the forum may lead to any secondary or higher usernames being banned.

If that was to happen, confusion solved!
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18:52 Tue 18 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
Sorry bout the missing "__"'s!

But seriously, why change the rules to suit rulebreakers?!?

You could also say repetitive swearing or verbal abuse may lead to all usernames being banned.

That change wouldn't be acceptable to those who obey that rule, so why should changing this rule be accpetable to those of us who obey it?

Its a good sensible rule, so why not enforce it.
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05:21 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
Rubbish.
Your comparison is completely different.
Say i'm logged on a different name, and post a sensible fair point on it, i should be banned!?
The rule is aimed more at spammers i think.
Also Spinner, this is a site mainly full of kids, good grief, we're not running a prison.
Strictly speaking you shouldn't have a second name, but providing you behave on it, theres no problem...same with posting on it, in my opinion.
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06:42 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
I've been on a few other forums and 1 person having multiple users to post can cause problems:

- Supporting your own argument (to try and gain more apparent support)
- ...or to "gang up" against a particular member
- To post something anonymously (eg to make an attack on someone without it leading back to your main account)
- Using a secondary account to post to avoid risking punishment on primary account
- and maybe some other similar circumstances?

In addition to avoid the spamming filter mentioned by playerx.

Ordinarily, we only check and take action if there is a problem.
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07:21 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
I Have to agree with ison, mquiston and playerx on this one (sorry spinner and player_x!) I feel i'm one of the ppl this thread is aimed at so i'd like to have my say: IF i were being abusive/offensive/racist on the forums i'd expect to be banned and rightfully so. Spinner, you asked why change the rules to suit rulebreakers? no rules have, to my knowledge, been changed to suit rulebreakers.The admin team and mods check the forums so i'm sure they know who's using multiple accounts and i'm sure if they thought for one min there was a prob with the way the posts are presented then it would of been dealt with accordingly. I may be being slightly biased, but i honestly do not see the problem here. Having said that, if i am so much as even annoying other users by posting with diff names,then i apologise, and if neccessary i will stick to using one name in future.
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07:56 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
Well i use two accounts on this (not at the same time obv) to post, and just one to play. Following this up i have done nothing on the list that Nick made i.e ganging up etc, as it isnt in my nature. The other user i have is incase i run out of posts and so i have more posts, obviously. Some may call this spamming, but the threads in fun n games is so people can have fun, and play games - and sometimes this can take more than a hundred posts a day/fifty posts an hour.

If i were to be subjected to punishment for this id be disgraced. Ok so maybe its a rule, and people should be distained from having so many accounts, but there are many threads i take an interest in.

As long as theres no spamming/abuse then why the complaint?
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08:18 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
yea ste, mabye you lot are called forum junkies for a reason mate

but i dont see the problem, i cant see anything wrong with this


- Supporting your own argument (to try and gain more apparent support)

Supporting your own argument (to try and gain more apparent support)

To post something anonymously (eg to make an attack on someone without it leading back to your main account)

i have never seen the regular posters (users with above 1,000 posts) do such a thing.
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08:52 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
Just to clarify justsumgirl; I wasnt saying rules had been chaged to suit the rulebreakers, i was saying that if this rule were changed, then that is exactly what would be happening.

mcquiston - you say you have never seen a regulart user either use another account to support thier own argument or to post something anonymousy. Well obviously you haven't! Thats the whole point of what Nick said, and why the rule exists!

I just dont see how the comparison can be "rubbish".

Rules are rules. Period.

Everyone agree's to abide by them when signing up, and if they dont, they should be banned. You cant just change the rules because some people dont like them! This is even more important when the site is mainly full of kids.

Its a plain and simple issue. Why dont people who break the rules get banned?

Which rule they break is irrelevant.
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09:28 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
Spinner you are contradicting yourself! Check your previous post! You said But seriously, why change the rules to suit rulebreakers? Now your saying you said if the rules were to be changed! I'm not about to get into a slanging match but do you know of anyone who has asked for the rules to be changed to suit themselves? To be honest, you seem stuck on this RULE thing and as far as i can see with those who use multiple accounts to post, ARE abiding with the rules.
Once again,i'm sure Admin would act accordingly to those they feel were rule breaking.

Edited at 14:30 Wed 19/07/06 (BST)
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10:01 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
LOL i guess you didnt notice the question mark at the end of my statement.

In the post before that, playerx suggested that the rule should be changed to : "Posting under multiple accounts on the forum may lead to any secondary or higher usernames being banned. "

Thats why i asked "why change the rules to suit rulebreakers?"

See?

At this moment the rules say : "Posting under multiple accounts on the forum will lead to any secondary or higher usernames being banned. "

Therefore, as Nick said above, those who use multiple accounts to post on the forums are breaking that rule.

All me, player_x, and others want is fairness.

Its also worth noting that no-one is suggesting a user gets all acounts banned, only the secodary or higher ones as stated in the rules.

Edited at 15:05 Wed 19/07/06 (BST)
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10:35 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
The point you seem to have ignored spinner is the nature in which these rules are broken.

There are some users on the site who use up all of their forum posting limit for the day and go onto another name just for posting. This isn't spamming and from what you are sayin they should have at least one of the names removed.

The rule should (and i think does) apply to users who are banned creating new user names (or using a second name) to argue or appeal against their banning.

There's already a few people trying to tell you this so I thought i'd mention yet again as it doesn't quite seem to be sinking in
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10:49 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
Rules are rules. Period.

Maybe, but i signed up on here, to play pool, have fun, and post all day on the threads....not to join the army.
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12:05 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
LOL it sank in ages ago squeezy, but theres nothing more stupid than the "its ok to break the rules for xxx reason".

Say a certain user happened to like swearing. Should you then say swearing is ok in that case?

According to some on this thread, you should.

Of course some will say "thats different" etc etc, but its not. Its a simple matter of right or wrong, no in-betweens...

I dont understand how people can dispute whether a rule applies "in this case" or whatever. Its plain simple and clear, so i'll repeat it yet again for those whom it hasn't sunk in to :

Posting under multiple accounts on the forum will lead to any secondary or higher usernames being banned.



Edited at 17:05 Wed 19/07/06 (BST)
Deleted User
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12:13 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  


Ah but spinner...i know im walking straight into the Of course some will say "thats different" here, but just to point out, swearings abusive, and can affect others, whereas posting for the sheer number of posts allowed is slightly different.

Its Nick et al, who create these rules, and im sure they're made under certain circumstances (hence the abuse rules etc etc)...Im sure thereis a slight bit of leighway with the rules before action is taken, e.g. three warnings for language instead of one, and the warning here is something on the lines of 'Dont use the other account for cheating, abuse, etc etc'....maybe the rule implemented should have (or be) modified a little so that both sides of the fence are satisfied.
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12:22 Wed 19 Jul 06 (BST)  [Link]  
I have to agree with JSG, MCQ Mr_G and Squeezy on this one too as i am one of the FJ's (forum junkies as we like to call ourselves)

Edited at 17:22 Wed 19/07/06 (BST)
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