I don't agree there neither tbh - A good league runner is someone who remains steadfast and resolute on their rules and shows no leniency to anyone. That way all teams and their players are treated fairly and know exactly where they stand.

Leniency is and can be interpreted as a weakness IMO however, that being said if any rules are relaxed then they have to be for all too.

I'm not accusing anyone of cheating or anything of the sort it was just a general enquiry.

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I just don't know what to do

FCL Friendly Number 2.

Phoenix Revenge (34) vs (26) Black Scorpions

joeyy (7) vs (8) northman
slimeball (8) vs (7) tonyc4ss
2pac786 (13) vs (2) my2cjms
(swp) jamesmcgarry vs askingfan (s)
(swp) sinkemall vs psycho
(s) rewill (6) vs (9) bigcjl2
legend_pot/potalot vs bri1974

Feel free to swap and play who you see online guys. rapid_pot can play any too.

Format: 5 x 8us, 9us and 8uk

Deadline: 12/12/2015

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FBL Friendly

Phoenix Revenge (2) vs (2) Dragon Flame

8us: friendyboy (0) vs (2) i_am_noob (3-5)
8us: _fresh_ vs northman
9us: 2pac786 vs vixen_xox
9us: jamesmcgarry vs triple_b
8uk: andyw1 vs re_rack_jack
8uk: hunter vs lateo1993
Str: potalot vs dvz
Str: rapid_pot (2) vs (0) dgeneratio (Run 44)

Format: 8 racks of game type (1st to 5 or 4-4) OR 2 x Straight.

Good Luck - enjoy yourselves and this is ONLY a friendly.

No Deadline - let's just get them completed at a nice steady pace.

Well Done to 2pac786 for making Pro in 9us & Killer (I'll try not take your points lol) - very well done mate - Told ya you'd enjoy pool

Thankyou! I remember you saying so yes :P

On a whole, this entire discussion is now null and void and you should know that you will not get anywhere trying to sabotage all the hard work i've put into this clan all season

Sam I agree with your statement about a 'good league runner', very valid points.

I have stated I know when you were signed as it's in black and white on the Team changes thread, that still doesn't really justify your inclusion in the finals when didn't (through no fault of your own) complete any fixture in the FCL itself.

I think there maybe should be a minimum amount of fixtures played in future in order to be eligible? (Say 2). I just do not see the fairness in being able to play in a final when that competition is fundamentally linked to the FCL.

As for accusing you of cheating, I stand by my statement. I've not accused nor made any accusations, I said IF. IF a player is played who is ineligible then I'd expect the severity of the punishment to be disqualification. As I know I stand zero chance with the whole topic, it still shouldn't and wont deter me from addressing this issue for future possible incidents.

I get where you're coming from when you suggest that a player should have to play a minimum amount of matches prior to playing a final in a competition. However, take a look at any team sport, if a player is out injured for the whole season, comes back for the final game and is crucial, that doesn't benefit his team? It's a disadvantage that he's been unavailable for the previous matches surely?

I would say that if there's proof that the person that submitted the teamsheet knew that the player was ineligible and fielded him anyway then yeah I could understand that being a disqualification as there's no other way to punish the player/captain/team. However, this is a situation where a league runner that can judge a situation impartially, and more importantly, correctly is vital.

Valid points though Ash, fair play.

How is it in any way relevant to the FCL though? Why should you have to play any FCL games to qualify to play in the Killer comp, which isn't linked in any way whatsoever to the FCL? We have many players that haven't competed in either the SL, the FBL or the FCL. Should they all be barred from playing killer too? It's ridiculous, and absolutely nothing other than sour grapes.

We played with a straight bat, and I even mailed the runner asking which of our squad was eligible before selection.

As I said before, he was signed too late to play on the FCL. There is no fundamental link between the FCL and any league, all are linked and all are independent. There is no killer in FCL and never had been so I have no clue how you make that leap other than FCL is the original league.

He played in the SL semis, our killer team was whoever was online and posted/messaged first come first serve without any selection necessary. I've not played in the first round of the GSC or semi but I made the final team. My ability is below Sam's but that shouldn't matter. You are confusing simple team rotation with signing top players for the finals. If you have an issue with Sam playing the final then you have to have an issue with me in the final too.

The only competition long enough to have this rule back in plausibly is the SL because it is split into two parts and the longest competition. Killer cup is potentially two rounds which you just can't fit your whole squad in. FBL and CL are league formats so no finals there and again the GSC is too short again with only three rounds.

The competitions are independent, so you can't link them.

Agree, I know you could sign damee at of SL to be in the final but i wouldn't complain even if teams did that. Teams who was in the final SL fixture before the cutoff should be eligible for selection HOWEVER killer is not a league. In my view whoever is in the team by the Super League Final (or the set before the First Round Killer) starts could play, thats how i would do it anyway.

Can i make a request though, No 5v5v5 or 3v3v3v3 until the Final as the organising can be hectic as we seen this season between Pros and Phoenix and it isn't good for the site. Final and Playoff deserves to be more but not the Qualification Round.

just msged my man for the friendly he's been offline 2 days just to keep you informed

You can...but why you'd want to make that request on Phoenix's thread is beyond me!

because topic was here what i usually do as i don't like moving topics if they are being spoken in one place.

anyways sorry Phoenix, trespassed far too long tonight

Was only kidding James.

Actually, I AM kind of interested in Phoenix's views on the killer. I really like the 5 v 5 v 5, and overall there's been loads of good banter and a lot of fun. However, almost every team involved has suffered with losing a player to connection issues, and us, Phoenix and PD's all lost one of our best players.

Organisationally I've not really had a problem with it myself, and the teams that have this season will probably learn from it. Overall, I'd probably like to stick with the format myself, and just accept some unfortunate member is going to get booted. Thoughts?

Cheers for the update mate - IF you see any of the other other oppoennts play them instead (askingfan, psycho or bri1974)

Thanks

Unfortunate what happened to us especially losing _fresh_ with full 3 lives once again. 1st time accept it's a pure accident but for it to occur again under the same situtation then surely that's not fair has to be addressed?

I think with the intermittent nature of the server, asking 15 players plus specatators to assemble in 1 room is asking a bit too much. I'm not a fan of spectators as it is neither.

I think 2 teams of 3-5 play versus each other in the qualification rounds but the final be 3 teams 5 players but no spectators. Others have suffered ill fate and it's not right for teams to be screwed due to no fault of their own

true but spectators should have the right to watch any competition final and the banter that comes with it too

If spectators add to the risk of disconnection, then they should probably not be allowed - but I'm yet to be convinced that's the case. I've been in a 3 man killer game with no spectators and seen it happen many a times.

FBL friendly

8us _fresh_ 6-2 northman

ggs here, i played well and so did he to be fair, really nice guy and he will do well this season.. good player with potential

wp pal