GRAND SLAM CUP FINAL


The Professionals (4) v (6) Uprising

FCL
dvz (2) v (0) corsair (8 v 3)
beenjammin (2) v (0) davybaumers (9 v 6)

SL
crazy_greg (0) v (2) dv8 (5 v 7)
jamesmcgarry v psychosis

8US
miss_harriet v cgibson92

9US
dbno (0) v (2) lll1lll1lll (5 v 7)

8UK
w_hoolahan (0) v (2) r1p0m4n_v2 (4 v 6)

Straight
tinie_v17 v clifton188


Deadline for these games is Midnight UK on Sunday 09th March 2015.

Thanks chappy
lol faust, you complain about losing heavily right? Don't you see? The presence of bonus points made your loss even heavier!
Seriously though, if you prefer the 'team winning the most ties' getting the most points, you're already covered, by FBL.

Honestly mate, I don't care at all either way. Been trying to get you to bite for ages though!

Chomp chomp.

I prefer the idea of the team winning the most frames over the course of the season winning the title, seems simple haha

Isn't 180 the same number as 180? .

We were talking about one particular team match, not the whole season
You're right though, the bonus points had no effect on who won the league, as per usual (the frame count had same outcome).
I wonder how many other clans it had an effect on though, could've swayed their position (5th, instead of 6th for example).

Edited at 15:47 Wed 04/03/15 (GMT)

It only effected 3rd/4th, UB scored more frames but because they drew and lost to XVth man they ended up 4th

There you are then, we can leave it at that, because you know which team me and chappy think showed the most skill throughout the whole FCL season, and not just one of the team matches, when they happened to be playing each other (one frame decided it if you think about it, could've swayed the draw in UB's favor).

We think a system that reflects the whole season is more accurate than a system that can, in the right circumstance, reflect only one team match, or one frame even.

Edited at 20:07 Wed 04/03/15 (GMT)

I was only trying to wind you up for a laugh, but I do think in any fcl tie, if one team wins 5 out of 8 matches, they're the better team. Even if one team has 3 better individuals. I agree with Chris's view completely on what a team win is. This said, I wouldn't want to see the FCL format changed.

Wasn't it five 8-7 results? One unlucky roll, or error can lose you the title. I don't think either of us were the better team, really. You guys were great at the beginning, and we were the finishers.

08:42 Thu 05/03/15 8 Ball Billiards - davybaumers broke and cleared up!

09:18 Thu 05/03/15 8 Ball Pool UK - davybaumers broke and cleared up!

09:28 Thu 05/03/15 8 Ball Pool UK - davybaumers broke and cleared up!

This is beyond me. I hope i can continue this way

But... throw it to the extremes

Say 8 teams enter fcl:

pros win 7 of those 120-0, lose to upr 59-61

upr win all their fixtures 61-59.

So with the current rules, upr would win the title, even though they only won 427 out of 840 possible frames.

Yet pros would be second because they lost 1 match even though they won 779 out of 840 possible frames.

Me and Been know which team we feel would be the 'worthy' winners, but because we segregate the 840 frames, into 7 matches, then people think the matches should count more than the frames won lol

Agreed but it becomes stale if each league is the same

under the current set up I do believe pros would win in that example so it's an awful one. I however feel the unbeaten team should win. Not going into it all again.

Agreed, I messed up. I shall bow my head in shame and just do what I do best, nothing

No but you have just highlighted that if a team loses a game under the current set up, with a high standard in other games to make up for that loss they can still win the league. If you are silly enough to lose a game you should have to give exceptional performances in your other games to then justify winning the league. And as you showed it is possible.

I will leave this thread to it, everyone knows what me and Been know what we would like to happen, but it is getting more people to understand what it is we are trying to state.

Time has come for a new profile pic, any suggestions?

tinie_v17 v clifton188

now

mattywellie vs clifton188

Like harriet said, 8-7's, as close to a tie as you can get, I don't think an 8-7 should carry the same weight as 11-4.

I realize there are different opinions as to what scoring system is best, they're all respectable in their own way.
My point is, there's 3 leagues!, room for every opinion!
faust's preferred method (wins the most individual matches) has FBL, and Cup
onevisit's preferred method, 'unbeaten (in team matches) team should win' has SL, and it used to have the Cup until a season or 2 ago (still does really, but the team matches are decided by indiv tie wins instead of frames)
yet mine and chappy's (and many silent others) opinion doesn't exclusively have anything.
FCL is a compromise of ours and onevisit's opinion. Heavy-handed in onevisit's favor too, ever since the bonus was raised from 10 to 20 a few seasons back.
I only find solace in the "Frame Count Shield", that chris agreed to implement, and award to any team that wins the most frames, yet doesn't win the FCL title.

Edited at 16:46 Thu 05/03/15 (GMT)