im not going to moan about it because its the rules it is what it is and its been that way since well i guess the beginning of clans .. BUT 36 points would of been hard to make up for any team including unbeatables and uprising no matter how good they are... we worked hard to get ourselves into that positon, but as stu said it happened last season when tfs beat pros then folded. Although in the end it didnt actually effect the outcome of the league.

Don't be dragging my name into it! :P

To be fair, no-one even really remembers TFS being part of last season, and their removal never really hurt the leagues overall. It will be exactly the same with Phoenix.

i'm not entirely convinced it wont have an outcome on the league ... we scored 40 points more than both of you in that fixture surely that would of had an impact somewhere down the line ?

not that there is any fair way to do it .. its just horrible when you pull out a great result and its essentially void. it must of been a great result cos they beat 2 of the top 3 fcl teams :P

FCL - Fixture Set 5

Team lists are required for the following games by Sunday Midday (UK) at latest please.

FCL 1

The Professionals v Black Scorpions
Uprising v Unbeatables

FCL 2

Baize Burners v Wolf Pack
Wolf Pack v Pocket Dynamos
Pocket Dynamos v Baize Burners

These games will complete the Season for Division 2 - unless the three clans are fully active and wanted to repeat the set again for Fixture Set 6 in Division 2?

Edited at 13:52 Tue 16/09/14 (BST)

Could be fun, I mean we'd be just waiting around for div 1 anyways?
And we havent had any defaults and just added 2 very active players so I don't think activity would be a problem.

I would agree, I like the idea of doing battle twice

Random i know.

For next season to really open up the league, each captain chooses 3 players to join his/her team. Then the rest are put into a pot and drawn at random to join said team.That way teams will be fair and nobody can whine.Could make for interesting teamlists.

I suggested something similar previously but the big clans dont think that they should have to change. They think that it is right that they have all the top players in their team as they recruited them. Also clans would get drawn with players in teams that they didnt like etc.

I personally would love to mix things right up that you had your 8 captains and then the 8 top players from previous season golden cue randomly allocated to each of the 8 teams and then all other players were in a random draw, in theory you could end up with 8 similar ability teams and the league would be a great battle. But alas this is a dream and will never happen as too many like the current set up where it is really a 2 horse race and sometimes almost a one horse one each season.

Think this idea's brilliant: BUT as horse has said some people are so set in their ways, change will only happen if and when they want it too.

Maybe stretch the selection to 4 (1/4) then the rest randomized.

Would make for a MUCH more interesting league and who knows could be the remedy the site requires. Enough of the same old, same old -

Edited at 14:11 Sat 20/09/14 (BST)

Brilliant idea I think this would make the best ever competitive league ever LOVE IT !!!!!!

interesting idea but i don't think the FCL should change. you could do an event on pool events though as a trial with the clans who want to compete

Not to be funny horse but I didnt hear you mentioning this when MVP were top?
Firstly I run my team for my friends, if i have 15 people I don't particularly like I think I'd get fed up.
Secondary you say 8 captains? who are the 8? guessing I wouldn't be in the equation so would that mean I'd have to fold? or whoever isnt allowed would have to?

I would have had you as one, there are only 7 teams in FCL just now. Used to be 8 before phoenix folded. So i would just look at current captains with probably an extra one.

I have been top with MVP and pros, I folded MVP as clans were no longer fun, i left pros as it was predictable and boring what would happen in the various leagues. The format above was suggested as it may make all players have a chance of winning something and also may make players meet other players that if they get on with that they normally would have no contact with.

Phoenix Storm are still around, you just can't see 'em. Less of the past tense, can reform at any given time. IF the idea above is implemented well and not manipulated to suit certain persons then this could be the genuine breakthrough Clans and more importantly the SITE requires.

Every team hopefully will be on the same level playing field with equality with quality.

The only problem would be getting enough players to stick around for the entirety of a season

Tbf horse, uprising won last season and there have been surprise results recently in clans.
I do think some people need to think like you do it is boring being in the top team and join one of the not so big teams (like mine ).
On saying you'd keep the 7 current captains I'd personally not let 1 or 2 be captain... maybe I'm harsh though .
People always try and fix clans with this and that and they ignore the part that isn't fun is arguing on the threads. Very rarely is there a big argument during a game....

Lol i never see Chelsea give their players for free to smaller teams just to make the league interesting. There are a lot of good players around who arent in a clan and who can compete at good levels. Its good captains what we all miss. For example huts build a new team with players who werent in clans the previous season, which means that building a competitive team isnt impossible.

Black Scorpions will win nothing so they are not competitive.

I fully understand your why should we hand out our best players to others argument. The point is that clans are getting poorer by the season and many people keep saying it. The suggestion is something to mix it up to try and spice them up a bit.

It would only be a trial in one of the formats, i would not expect the FCL to change for next season

Edited at 21:08 Sun 21/09/14 (BST)

Uprising was not a surprise last season. It was always going to be either them or pros. The only surprise was that it was Unbeatables beating pros that allowed them to win.

This season Uprising have struggled a bit in comparison with pros and again only a freak win by Unbeatables against pros has stopped the FCL being all over. Uprising have missed pete there is no doubt which weakens them in comparison with pros.

Yes i can understand your comments about some captains but if they run a clan and it doesn't fold and gets games played, they have the right to keep running a clan in my opinion.

Would've been a good idea if it was always like this. Could still be a good idea if it was for one, separate competition.

Now however, I have players that have played for me for over 2 years, some almost 3. Over half my team I have on facebook, and speak to regularly. We've become a team just like one of my real life pool teams. It really wouldn't sit right to have to forcibly break that up.

It's nothing to do with maintaining a status quo. Uprising have had ONE successful season, a couple of near misses, and the rest average at best. I don't resent Pro's success, or think their dominance makes the comp boring. I see it as something to aim for, to try and catch. This season, the top FIVE teams all recorded victories or draws against other top five teams. In any sport in the World this would be considered a success.