Awww bless him, they simply can't beat us without making swaps and subs as proven how many times this season already, so the poor lad has got to try everything he can to even stand a chance

You are coming from it on the basis that uprising had more chance versus player a than player b. In this case phoenix could just as easily have had player b in from the start of the fixture so we would be at the same place now.

Yes it may seem wrong as you wanted player a as you feel that you had a better chance. But what ash has done is what all captains do whether they admit it or not and has done what is best for his clan.

Would uprisng leave a player in if lethal_lures was online and game was tied to win the league. Or would they sub a top player in to increase there chances. They might claim they wouldn't but for seasons now the top clans have done it. (Pros / Snooker Squad etc). The thing that is different in this case is it is a lesser clan doing it to one of the top clans which doesnt happen very often as they dont usually get the chance.

If i was uprising i would be thinking right lets get this game done and win and show phoenix we can win anyway as we are 'uprising' and we are the best regardless what you do

I agree horse, but the thing is, when we make a swap to get a game done when 2 players are online Ash usually reverses it, so why should why just have to accept there swap/sub with no problems?

It would depend entirely on the timing of the game, but judging by it being a tied game with the chance to win the league i'm guessing it would be late on in the set. In that case most likely yes, if our guy was struggling. But in the same way we'd sub any of our guys in, if Pete wasn't online we'd sub whoever was in.

If there was no problem with the game and it was going to be played we wouldn't

regardless, we'll carry on as usual. It is underhanded but as far as I can see not against the rules.

Nothing stopping you swapping it back, but if game does not get played it would go against you in default. Tactical subs have been part of clans since subs were introduced the only thing is wrong is that the rules do not openly say that you can do them so they get done under various reasons which most can see through anyway.

Thanks for the neutral view mate, it's good to read your honest opinion.

However, we take great pride at avoiding tactical subs at Uprising. Myself and mattywellie for example pretty much have an agreement and neither team would do it to the other. I know we're in the minority, but it's true. My personal issue is mainly with the SL rules. I think if you've been named in one team, then you should have to play for that team. If you are going to swap players between both, then you should only enter one team at the start of the season.

Can we just get the fixture done :( I'm tired of constantly coming on n seeing phoenix getting slated. Some of us just come on get our game played and disappear. Yet you tar the whole clan with the same brush.

No horse1000, that's not where I'm coming from but I can understand why you would think that.. We don't really care who we play, my point is it shouldn't be allowed, full stop as it's just bad sportsmanship which will lead to arguments, case in hand proves it.
swaps are fine as long as they are done within the same fixture.. This is a blatant attempt at compromising a fixture plus a blatant disregard for the player that was initially put in.. If friendyboy says he doesn't wanna play for one reason or another then a sub that hasn't been in the fixtures should be put in.. swap proves that it's underhanded and just down right wrong
it's a matter of morals here, nothing else!

theres a saying where i live which states that each country deserves the politicians they have as long they dont do anything to remove them if theyre not doing right. same things apply here i think :)

No one is slating the whole clan.. we'll at least I ain't.. its the individual involved that I have this particular issue with, it's bad sportsmanship! Unfortunately as he is the head of PS, the clan comes under unfair scrutiny!

totally agree, also if they want to put their best team aginst us, let them do when the team sheets are sent. If not, than whats the point in doing them when theyre asked?

Yes, let me add to that. I keep on criticizing all of Phoenix when Ash does something that angers us. This is wrong, and I shouldn't tar the entire clan with the same brush. I'll make an effort not to condemn the entire clan in the future!

You can claim it is the moral of what they have done and everyone can judge that for themselves. The point is that ash is doing what is best for his clan and that is no different to other captains on here, the problem is that some still try to say that tactical subs are not allowed and should not be allowed. They have happened for seasons now it is just some are more honest than others to admitting that. Every sub or swap is tactical as it changes form the fixing of the game in the initial set up of the fixtures. The only way to remove tactical subs is to get rid of subs or swaps altogether which would mean a lot more games going to default. Everyone has their own opinions on this, i prefer tactical subs or swaps being part of the game and games getting played rather than going to default. I am sure some would prefer more games going to default and no subs or swaps allowed so teams had to pick their best team from the start.

horse10000 i will try make some tactical subs aswell now. tell me if im wrong or right in doing them.

pirate_steve v _niall_
lethal_lures v hippesville
cgibson92 v mrmagic
zantetsukenz v mich

are now

cgibson92 vs mich
zantetsukenz vs _niall_
lethal_lures vs hippesville
pirate_steve vs mrmagic

i wonder if i did this every day any of the games would get played

So in regards to that horse10000, by no means did I say swaps and subs (tactical or not) were not allowed, I said that they should ONLY occur within the same fixture.. surely you can see my point in that.. If anything and by what your saying, I would then put the clan runners at fault (no offence) for not having that rule implemented
And if the rule isn't implemented than you might as well not have team sheets and just let the captains match fix which ever way they would like.. I don't see the problem, it's a simple solution or am I genuinely missing something here!!

I have no problem with that eri, but can you make it official if they are for real

It is still 4 players fro Uprising playing 4 players from UB.

No, and that's exactly it, blatant disregard for the randomness of the draw!! It's just wrong and the clan runners jobs to make sure it doesn't take place..

no im not making them for real, was just using an example. What if i swap them again tomorrow? Will you still be ok with it? Im not against subs or swaps and i agree that they can be made (even tactical subs if you want) but certainly there should be a limit on them.

Runners and mods have lost there marbles I say..

Technically it is two subs (well four really), and what it comes across as is Ash saying friendyboy isn't good enough to be likely to get a favourable result, but davy is more likely to. So he'll put friendboy in the fixture that doesn't matter anyway so he gets to play still.

sharky89 was having problems with davy, not because he was inactive, but because he wasn't replying to his messages despite logging in so nothing could be arranged. What changes when you sub him into a different game? (no offence to davy)