@turtle

That's basically what the SL format for killer is, I think it's best in SL as it worked there whereas it was kicked out of FBL. It's more of a team game than an individual game and the shorter format fits in well with the super league. (Think of how long it takes to complete each type, killer would be much shorter).

In FBL each match is worth 2 points (a win) or 1 point (a draw) or 0 (a loss). For killer this would be difficult as there is always a winner. To fit it into the FBL you would need 2 teams from each clan to play 2 frames of killer each (so 4 frames of killer). 2 points for 1st and 1 for 2nd would give 6 points in available for each team.

so player 1,2,3 plays a,b,c twice and player 4,5,6 plays d,e,f twice. score of the 2 frames makes up each match of killer and 2 points for winning the match, 1 point for drawing a match. Then it would fit exactly with FBL's format. This could be 2 v 2 or 3 vs 3, but no more than that.

Zante
Do you honestly not understand the difference between the scoring system and the game format?
I suggested putting 3 v 3 killer back into FBL where it originated and where it fits and adding a frame of straight to each Super League game to make it an original format.
Those changes are format as I said they had the opportunity to make leagues that compliment each other...nothing to do with frames not being counted (being the historian you can tell me how many seasons they have been in all leagues?? 30??)
Those changes actually got support from turtle, been and mad_matt that along with myself was as many than had ever posted wanting the system that FBL has been changed to in the 7 or so seasons that horse has posted it repeatedly on the league discussion thread.
I couldn't and can't be bothered arguing the merits of that with you who will just sit there all night deliberately missing every point raised and distracting, to be honest I regret the time wasted ever sitting there behaving like that myself.

Steve
You were the first to throw abuse telling me to 'sod off' now you are playing a victim and throwing the 'I put in the time to do this' card very quickly.
You posted asking about the cup for example and all you got was post after post saying they loved the FCL cup bring it back and loads wanting FBL cup too...you ignored everyone and made some ridiculous garbage instead, how do you expect people to react?

No I did not, I repeatedly asked if everything could simply cut the abuse and post constructive criticism so we can get there.

Now you've actually thought about it and posted something worth reading the discussion can continue...

Where was the massive want for the FCL & FBL Cup to return? From the way I read the discussion it was simply about FCL bonus points. The problem is with the number of competitions. 3 leagues and 3 cups would be a bit excessive so we tried to go for the next best thing and amalgamated the cups into one competition. I agree that it is a bit of a compromise, but the general view so far seems to be that it's an interesting new direction.

Like I said before, we were contemplating a game of killer in the FBL but we thought it would be better suited in the SL. I do agree it'd be nice in the FBL (as then all types would be tested) but an SL & FBL killer would be overkill. Removing the SL killer and adopting an FBL killer is a viable approach though.

i have to agree with turtle at the idea that it would be better to put killer in the Fbl and not in the SL. that way the FBL can include every format.

people do mention abuse but thats the incentive for runners to leave, the more users do it, the more chance people will leave then the league is in shambles as it has no runner.

many league runners before Steve has had lots of abuse hurled at them in which case was too much for them. I admit i was one of those people but hopefully i am stronger now.

if we forget the abuse part and focus on what is right for the league then we could have a more stable clan league and runner like Chris and Jo for Super League and myself and Seb for Snooker.

regarding the league, i don't mind the format, All i fear though is the Football System, If you win with one or two games to spare. The incentive to play is then lost unless you care about Frame Difference.

Although i said the same about two clans in Super League but it worked so who knows what will happen.

About Cup interesting proposition and would be interesting to try, would certainly cut the games down which is always a good thing.

Whats the exact format?

If internet has taught me one thing it is take nothing for granted and appreciate the time you have online because you don't know when or how long you can't play this game.

Well no, since that is just your interpretation of the word(s). A format is simply a structure, this refers to both scoring and fixtures so the leagues format can refer to either.

Killer might have originated from the FBL, but the FBL did not originate with killer involved. It doesn't fit the format unless it's in the structure above which is less favourable than the SL killer.

Adding a straight frame into SL goes completely against the SL which was brought in as and still remains a short format fixture. Straight is not a short format, whereas killer can be. The shortened nature of this league makes it more unpredictable and open to anyone winning which is the same as team killer.

The formats do compliment each other now, the way you want it is to mix the formats together to create 2 seperate unholy blends of SL and FBL which both differ and are neither here nor there in core structure.

Many changes over the years have had varying support like many ideas that never were implemented were. Just because your idea didn't make it doesn't mean you should throw a hissy fit. You did get a little support yes (I was one of those), but there was opposition and support for that too. However this isn't the same league structure anymore and, as such, the compatibility of killer isn't the same. One 3 versus 3 game would need to be out of 12 points, so 6 for 1st, 4 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd. That way killer can still be drawn. Though that means the emphasis is on one game in killer whereas it the other types it isn't so this therefore doesn't fit in.

In other words it's awkward to fit killer into FBL now, other than something like what I put above which requires 4 frames of killer and 6 players from each clan.

Just because you fail to acknowledge an appropriate rebuttal to the points you put forward does not constitute me missing the point when you regurgitate the same points.

The solution is simple, you want a league to be run like that? go and make one. It should be easy enough to get the support since your ideas are so supported as you say

page 25 of FCL discussion people wanted the FCL cup as it was and liked the format.
Killer fits FBL better not just because of representing all the game types in it but you have the full 16 players to choose from rather than the 8 in Super League making it more than twice as easy to get games done.

Just pointing out that as many people posted support for the changes I said (much more since about killer going back into FBL) than have ever posted wanted this scoring system..you keep choosing to ignore how little this scoring system is wanted proving my point about your posts.

There was no problem getting it done in SL, a 2 vs 2 is easy even with 8. If that was your problem then you wouldn't be stupid enough to enter two teams, there's no obligation to so if you have a problem with it and the solution to the problem is in your own hands it's very simple to solve.

A Killer that completely fits with the FBL would require 4/6 players from each clan to play 4 frames (2 sets of 2 which would be back-to-back). In the SL the killer requires 1-7 players from each clan to play 2 frames (most would play back-to-back). So killer in the FBL would be harder to arrange.

The only way Killer will work in this format is if you implement Snookers Version. Two frames, 1st Place gets 2 points and 2nd gets 1 point. That way you can have that 'team' element while having more than 3 vs 3.

4 frames can take too long even with a 2 vs 2, if all the players struggle.

In my view, keep Killer in the SL

Agreed Killer is best suited in FBL, leave SL to be the 8 vs 8 plus there's more incentive to try obtain bonus points as the killer pretty much eliminates half the scores already acquired.

You seem to believe that posting here constitutes a completely accurate representation of clan players beliefs. It does not, players are under no obligation to post here. Just because they don't post doesn't mean they don't support an idea. In fact the opposite is true, people are more likely to not post if they are fine with things and most only post if they have a problem with things. So to judge how wanted something is from the forums is completely misguided and invalid. There is well over 100 players playing in clans, because 5-10 people support you doesn't mean your idea should be implemented. When the proper discussion took place, the ideas were discussed appropriately with good and bad taken into consideration. Just because people didn't post doesn't mean they never supported it and people are allowed to show support after (which they have). What is implemented and is not doesn't need to be ran by you or meet certain criteria about who has posted to support it.

Why do you think thay had killer removed from FBL in the 1st place.
It was a pain in the Butt to get it arranged between the playrs from both Teams.
Plus just like any other game a Team trys to put there best players in a certain game type depending on the game type.
Killer is the same, alway.s waiting on both teams to hold off the games till thay can have there best killer players on line at the same time.But it never works out
so 1 Team has all his players ready and waiting and the other does not.
So thay wind up having to put in players who are not as good at killer but have to play in order to avoid a default.I say either drop killer are make it to where if a team wants to play in FBL but does not want to particapate in killer then fine.
Who ever has most points wins with out playing killer.

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You think you sound clever but all that essay says is that because no one posted complaining about the league scoring system except 3 or 4 people in 30 seasons means everybody was happy with it as it was except those 3 or 4 people...exactly what I was saying

Chris only introduced killer into super league last season because him and jem were arguing and knowing the ridiculous amount of killer matches would mean she failed he added killer and released his fixtures a week before she was due to.
one_visit agreed it should be in the league when he took over but he didn't have the time to organise it and said they would look at getting it back in after they got through last season actually.

Must have been a long one then, this fantasy argument, because Killer was actually in the original Super League IV which commenced back in May 2013. But then I guess dealing in facts doesn't suit your agenda.

Haha, no I don't. You didn't understand it so maybe I should've dumbed it down.

I was talking about currently, not all seasons of every league. Hence why I mentioned 100 as a figure, that figure would be much higher for all time.

And I mean about the current system, people have supported it but not posted it here. So if there is a large majority who is happy to go with what the runners implement then there is no argument for implementing killer to FBL - unless you become runner or make your own league.

You were saying there weren't many people in favour of it, alls i've said is that just because an opinion isn't posted doesn't mean it isn't there. You can't judge opinion based purely on what is posted. Think this posts a little clearer, not sure what more to simplify

Try coming back with something new, it's a bit boring now. Especially since you started sinking to a personal level because your content was thin

id say leave FBL totally alone now
same scoring
killer has been added to another league

with cups back its simply to many games to play

leave the good old FBL as it is