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erigert
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19:08 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Stu asked me to post this, so if you dont agree with it than dont shout at me

"Uprising trusts all our players, and whatever the ruling - all of our players have captains permission to sub/swap games to get fixtures played. We feel this should be a rule for clans themselves to enforce."


Edited at 17:14 Fri 31/01/14 (GMT)
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19:12 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
No the proof were in the cases of their opponent being offline for a while, and no action taken by their Captain.

The flexibility suits the bigger teams so they can act like vultures and attack/force their prey to play there and then. IF that's fair then I beg to differ. That goes on, I'm very appreciative no one from my team went against my request, this may not be the case for other sides. I'm trying to find a fair and suitable precedent for all teams.

With being a Captain and a Vice, this brings responsibility. What if a team gets refused a sub during the fixture then they don't hear a word until oh how convenient they end up playing the player who they were refused?

Please stop with all this "big-team" propaganda

Although you raise legitimate concerns, all I am saying is that by going down the (only captains and vices can sub) route you remove flexibility from the clans themselves, which could make a clans' job harder.

I still think it should be down to the clans internally. I'd hate to not be able to tell my guys on snooker that they can sub in if I'm not around.
zantetsukenz
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19:14 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
The flexibility suits the bigger teams so they can act like vultures and attack/force their prey to play there and then. IF that's fair then I beg to differ. That goes on, I'm very appreciative no one from my team went against my request, this may not be the case for other sides. I'm trying to find a fair and suitable precedent for all teams.

I fully understand where you are coming from, however it doesn't suit the bigger teams it suits the more reliable. Theres nothing worse than two players willing to play and being unable to because one of them can't get subbed in because they dont have a captain/vice online. That is why that rule is currently in place.

One response I've heard is that if you have a player in your team who you do not want to play for a fixture, why are they in your team? It seems unfair that you prevent them from playing games which they could get at a different clan.

Also as above, you do have the option to tell your players not to sub in. If you have the trust of your players then this shouldn't be a problem (as it wasn't in your case).

Defaults are not an assistance, they are a deterrent (I would say punishment but often that is harsh). You don't want people to play for a default, you don't want them to occur. They aren't there to reward players for having a bad opponent.
zantetsukenz
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19:16 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I do have a radically alternative (but rough) idea for a league format but I don't think people would be ready for it or in favour of it it might be one to keep away for the future...
erigert
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19:17 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I do have a radically alternative (but rough) idea for a league format but I don't think people would be ready for it or in favour of it it might be one to keep away for the future...


dont let us die ignorants
zantetsukenz
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19:19 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Well it isn't even ready for suggestion! No guarantee it would work
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19:19 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
It could but surely part of the set criteria to be a Captain or Vice should mean you are active or have an active staff member online throughout the entire fixture? I don't mean online all day just visible some of it.

Sorry i'll cease using that term, i guess the flexibility could be made flexible in itself, some teams could opt to have only the Captains or Vices choose and some the entire team. This could be made apparent before the start of the season so all teams are made aware?

I'd be happy to say right now: Only Myself and Vices will make subs throughout the entire season, including Deadline Day for Phoenix Storm in ALL competitions. (hopefully have all fixtures played before then tbh)
derik_dalton
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19:22 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I do have a radically alternative (but rough) idea for a league format but I don't think people would be ready for it or in favour of it it might be one to keep away for the future...


dont let us die ignorants


put it on tommorows world
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19:23 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hmmm, it's an interesting idea, but couldn't that be achieved by stating whether anyone or just captains/vices can make subs internally on clan threads? (without involving strict rules)

That way you can still nominate people to sub in if needs be
erigert
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19:23 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
"Can I suggest a possible point deduction for inappropriate punctuation, poor spelling and grammar? Functional illiteracy amongst some captains and players seems to be so pervasive - that it's spreading. If we allow it to continue, the threads will be filled with nothing but 2 letter, guttural words such as "ug". Do we want that?" Just a thought!
derik_dalton
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19:25 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
It could but surely part of the set criteria to be a Captain or Vice should mean you are active or have an active staff member online throughout the entire fixture? I don't mean online all day just visible some of it.

Sorry i'll cease using that term, i guess the flexibility could be made flexible in itself, some teams could opt to have only the Captains or Vices choose and some the entire team. This could be made apparent before the start of the season so all teams are made aware?



I'd be happy to say right now: Only Myself and Vices will make subs throughout the entire season, including Deadline Day for Phoenix Storm in ALL competitions. (hopefully have all fixtures played before then tbh)


ash u cant force a captain or vice to be online at some point everyday, what if stus in a ket pit and erigerts out romancing frisky albanian ladies, it just cant be done
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19:26 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hmmm, it's an interesting idea, but couldn't that be achieved by stating whether anyone or just captains/vices can make subs internally on clan threads? (without involving strict rules)

That way you can still nominate people to sub in if needs be


Could do, when team selections are sent in maybe teams can list 3 potential subs only for the fixtures? These could remain private until necessary?
erigert
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19:26 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
It could but surely part of the set criteria to be a Captain or Vice should mean you are active or have an active staff member online throughout the entire fixture? I don't mean online all day just visible some of it.

Sorry i'll cease using that term, i guess the flexibility could be made flexible in itself, some teams could opt to have only the Captains or Vices choose and some the entire team. This could be made apparent before the start of the season so all teams are made aware?



I'd be happy to say right now: Only Myself and Vices will make subs throughout the entire season, including Deadline Day for Phoenix Storm in ALL competitions. (hopefully have all fixtures played before then tbh)


ash u cant force a captain or vice to be online at some point everyday, what if stus in a ket pit and erigerts out romancing frisky albanian ladies, it just cant be done


lmao Joe, thats more than likely
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19:27 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
It could but surely part of the set criteria to be a Captain or Vice should mean you are active or have an active staff member online throughout the entire fixture? I don't mean online all day just visible some of it.

Sorry i'll cease using that term, i guess the flexibility could be made flexible in itself, some teams could opt to have only the Captains or Vices choose and some the entire team. This could be made apparent before the start of the season so all teams are made aware?



I'd be happy to say right now: Only Myself and Vices will make subs throughout the entire season, including Deadline Day for Phoenix Storm in ALL competitions. (hopefully have all fixtures played before then tbh)


ash u cant force a captain or vice to be online at some point everyday, what if stus in a ket pit and erigerts out romancing frisky albanian ladies, it just cant be done


LOL - checking your teams well being and match statuses is not a chore it's all part of being a Captain or Vice.
derik_dalton
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19:30 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
that said though u cant leave players to there own devices, not after the elite farces fiasco last year, theres certain people that just cant be trusted, 2 spring to mind, i wont name names, but im just having a bag er crisps in my shed
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19:30 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'd be happy to say right now: Only Myself and Vices will make subs throughout the entire season, including Deadline Day for Phoenix Storm in ALL competitions. (hopefully have all fixtures played before then tbh)


And as long as your clan members understand that then all's good. Other clans will no doubt want to do it differently which should be up to them.
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19:33 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hmmm, it's an interesting idea, but couldn't that be achieved by stating whether anyone or just captains/vices can make subs internally on clan threads? (without involving strict rules)

That way you can still nominate people to sub in if needs be


Could do, when team selections are sent in maybe teams can list 3 potential subs only for the fixtures? These could remain private until necessary?

Then you are coming back to relying on a league runner being online.

Still think the easiest solution is for clans to try and clear up any confusion internally. When I said team sheets, maybe just an excerpt on the bottom of the fixtures saying who can sub?
derik_dalton
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19:35 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hmmm, it's an interesting idea, but couldn't that be achieved by stating whether anyone or just captains/vices can make subs internally on clan threads? (without involving strict rules)

That way you can still nominate people to sub in if needs be


Could do, when team selections are sent in maybe teams can list 3 potential subs only for the fixtures? These could remain private until necessary?

Then you are coming back to relying on a league runner being online.

Still think the easiest solution is for clans to try and clear up any confusion internally. When I said team sheets, maybe just an excerpt on the bottom of the fixtures saying who can sub?


good idea pirate
franer_
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19:37 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hmmm, it's an interesting idea, but couldn't that be achieved by stating whether anyone or just captains/vices can make subs internally on clan threads? (without involving strict rules)

That way you can still nominate people to sub in if needs be


Could do, when team selections are sent in maybe teams can list 3 potential subs only for the fixtures? These could remain private until necessary?

Then you are coming back to relying on a league runner being online.

Still think the easiest solution is for clans to try and clear up any confusion internally. When I said team sheets, maybe just an excerpt on the bottom of the fixtures saying who can sub?


good idea pirate


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beenjammin
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20:06 Fri 31 Jan 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I just wanted one league that would minimize the luck factor and be as accurate as possible, by counting frames alone. Instead we now have
SL, decided by team fixtures in the end like a knockout
FBL, decided by a compromise of indiv matchs and team fixture wins
and FCL, continues with a compromise between frame count (games won) and team fixture wins.
If they truly wanted 3 different leagues, team fixtures wins wouldn't have a voice in all 3 leagues, FCL would drop the compromise and count frames, FBL wouldn't compromise either, and there would be a league that satisfies every opinion.
Instead I'm left unsatisfied, losing interest in playing leagues at all.

I'll quit posting now, just wanted all you runners to read this, and actually consider what I'm trying to say.
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