im not against tactical swaps but they need to be limited. what if i swap all 8 players now in the fcl game, and after two days i swap them back to their original fixtures? certainly i would be an idiot to do that, but what if one decides to do it?

With unlimited subs in FCL there is no need for swaps anyway.

In FBL they should allow more than they do as the rules are anti getting games played, which no rule should be.

Id say there shouldnt be a limit to subs/swaps because at times (mostly towards the deadline) these are needed in order to get all the fixtures played.
Instead, the rules should state what reasons are acceptable - e.g. player being banned or player activity. This should stop people making tactical subs/swaps

even with limited swaps you can get round it if you have the players due to unlimited subs. I used 4 subs for 1 swap.

Team a plays team b. You set the players up any way you like in order for your TEAM to win. Sub/ swap away. Commin sense tells me that the best team should always win!

It is your 16 players and it would be up to you what you wanted to do, as long as 8 games get played against the opposing clan i don't have an issue with it at all, the most important thing in all the clan leagues is games getting completed and no games going to default at least then the games are won or lost on the table.

I don't think any sub/swap should be allowed to be reversed, the opposition if they used their nozzle could rotate their own team around to combat the subs or swaps made by their opponents. I personally think 2 weeks for a fixture is too long, 1 week would be ample and then we'd see a lot of 'tactics' come into effect.

Do u not think its difficult to organise games with some players as it is without the added complication, me and andygorams snnt messages to each other the other week and maintained in contact as we were both busy at the time, we arranged a time and day, then nuts came in ad swapped it an hour b4, andygorams had come out of pub early to play it

excellent idea, and if there were any problems due to time zones then,. a player could only move one rung up and down the ladder, that gives them a 3 player option if theres a problem (had to edit, i mis read the sub/swap away option, i think the numbered list would work fine

I couldn't quote you're reply, as I said above there is a difference between a tactical swap and choosing you're opponents, you simply can't compare a tactical swap with everyone choosing there own opponents as soon as the fixture come out, they are nothing alike.

Disagree due to amount of games you have to play.

For Pool Players:

FCL (2 League + Cup)
FBL (2 League + Cup)
SL (2 League + Players Championship or Cup)

thats 9 or 10 games right there thats minus Killer in FBL

For Snooker Players:

Snooker (2 League + Cup)
FCL (2 League + Cup)
FBL (2 League + Cup)
SL (2 League + Players Championship or Cup)

thats 12 or 13 games right there thats minus Killer in FBL + Snooker League.

Getting 10 Games done in 7 days is almost impossible, thats almost 2 clan games a day including Killer so you would have to live on the site to manage it.

If it went down to 7 days i can see clans dropping out of a league because its too much for them

Fair enough how about subs or swaps are only allowed in the 2nd week?

thats true but that happens in an utopic world. yesterday we saw a clan thread filled in only day, cause i dont see any captain here who accepts tactical swaps against his team or if he does he would do the same by reversing the swap, and thats only a loss of time with games being unplayed also

depends about the reasoning:

Vacation, Timezones, Teamlist Error, Inactivity are some legitimate reasons clans sub. I agree with Horse in a sense when he said "If snooker squad are losing and seb is on the bench why should he not sub in to try and turn the game into SS favour? As long as a player is part of a clan it should not matter who plays as long as the games get completed." particularly the part about Seb. I did a tactical sub recently by subbing lethal_lures into my game. I had unplayable lag on that night but felt Pete could get the points and as people know i am not a good player under pressure as i put pressure on myself before the match even starts.

Long as its towards end of a fixture and the entire team isn't swapped i am happy about it although those who arranged in the swap won't be

would u still be the better team if u had 8 players from Pros/SS and other 8 ranked 600-650?

in theory u would cause u always play your 8 best players and win all games but in my opinion u shouldnt be considered like that

Edited at 23:22 Mon 15/07/13 (BST)

If unlimited tactical subs/swaps are allowed, then we shouldn't have to send teamsheets in, as they'll be irrelevant. Just list the two teams and let whoever play who they want. Otherwise, let the random draw of the teamsheets actually retain a degree of credibility.

If subs/swaps can't be limited, and captains can make them when they want, then why are random draws made for people to play? This business of making swaps/subs after ONE day when a fixture period is 2 weeks is ridiculous in my opinion.
So if they can't be limited, and these subs can be made after 30 seconds of games being released, what's the point in doing the draws? I doubt ANYONE can give an example of when a clan match was made without any subs/swaps.. i.e. completed to the games that were drawn.

What I'm saying is, instead of fixtures being released (Uprising vs Unbeatables for example), and giving 8 games with given opponents, why not say Fixture 1 - Uprising vs Unbeatables, play 8 games, no one can play more than 1 game in this fixture, play who you can - This will eliminate sub/swap arguments, and in this example, I could easily play John, Gaz, Sean, Ang, and probably more with ease. It will also stop me trying to arrange a time to play an opponent who cannot get online the same time as me, which will result in a sub in the final weekend. I could of played this game after 2 days for example. But this post will be ignored and ridiculed most probably.. My opinions though

fuunky is right for a change lol, in my opinion there is a slight difference between tactical subs/swaps and choosing your opponents, swapping players about in the first day is obviously choosing your opponents, which should be stopped now before it gets out of hand and wrecks the leagues, I'm all for games getting played so I would never suggest changing the subs/swaps anytime rule, but I would suggest that in the first 3 or 4 days captains must give a proper reason for doing it and tactical aint one lol, after that 3 or 4 day time period do all the tactical subs/swaps you want, you just need to stamp out this choosing opponents on day 1 or 2 because if you don't most captains will start doing it then its downhill for clans.
The sad thing is captains are now doing swaps on day one then admitting on the forums that its tactical, surely this is wrong.